THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I don't know what the response is on Twitter about whether Ardley should be sacked or not but the posts I read on Facebook suggest there is an overwhelming majority in his favour to stay on.

Do you think we should have a Poll on here again , after the next 4 away games and the chesterfield game ?
if we have won them all It would be a massive feather in his cap and a big two fingers up to those of us who think his management style is poor amongst other things !

[laddo]

That is exactly what you have said in your reasons for sticking with Ardley, and because Notts sack managers too soon, any manager should be given time - your words
So your are saying any manager gets 2 or 3 years minimum no matter what, because we have sacked to many before

When did I say 3 seasons minimum? You've made that up, a worrying trend.

I'd like Notts to get near to the 14 month league average to start with. Since 2000 out average tenure is less than half that!

Let's start with one full season before we start thinking about 2 or 3. Remember Davy the method employed by the club for the past 20 years simply hasn't worked, lots of wasted seasons in there.

[Davy500]

When did I say 3 seasons minimum? You've made that up, a worrying trend.

I'd like Notts to get near to the 14 month league average to start with. Since 2000 out average tenure is less than half that!

Let's start with one full season before we start thinking about 2 or 3. Remember Davy the method employed by the club for the past 20 years simply hasn't worked, lots of wasted seasons in there.

i made nothing up, typically you now not standing by the very reasons you blindly follow Ardley
You yourself , even in the paragraph, above, said we have sacked to many managers, so we have to give them more time, because in it has not worked in the past
So therefor even though Ardley was very bad from the start he must be given time, for no other reason than what you said above.
How much time. relegation season, last season, and now this, so that is over 2 and a half seasons, all to see if he would eventually come good??
Back to the original question, as in Ardleys case, we have had to stick with him for more than 2 1/2 seasons, no matter what, even though he is one of the worst mangers, just because we cant keep sacking managers-??

[laddo]

Ken just want to check are you offering tactical advice to Neal?

Can't believe you are still going back to the relegation season. Yes it was his job to keep us up and he failed. It was also Nolan's job to secure far more than 1 point from the opening 5 games having just taken basically the same side to the playoffs and had more investment than any of the other managers. We were rock bottom of the table , now who expected that after the Coventry game?

It was Kewell's job to win more than 3 out of his 14 games in charge. That's what they were paid to do also, and they also failed.

They all failed, not just one of them all of them. You talk about me ignoring the failing of Ardley that season (I haven't it was a limp effort at best) but you seem to choose to ignore the obvious failings of those two managers that season.

I don't see 5th as glory, or 3rd on PPG at all, I see it as in contention for promotion. Glory is promotion and nothing else, if he fails he goes.

None of the above matters, the question is should we sack or keep NA where we are now in the league? Bar the odd exception it's a resounding IN from the fans. You will have noticed the same on Facebook too Ken

[Davy500]

Typical still not answering the question

[laddo]

i made nothing up, typically you now not standing by the very reasons you blindly follow Ardley
You yourself , even in the paragraph, above, said we have sacked to many managers, so we have to give them more time, because in it has not worked in the past
So therefor even though Ardley was very bad from the start he must be given time, for no other reason than what you said above.
How much time. relegation season, last season, and now this, so that is over 2 and a half seasons, all to see if he would eventually come good??
Back to the original question, as in Ardleys case, we have had to stick with him for more than 2 1/2 seasons, no matter what, even though he is one of the worst mangers, just because we cant keep sacking managers-??

Come on Davy Facts where did I say 3 seasons minimum as you strongly suggest?

Just so you fully understand going forward (it will save us some time) I want Notts managers to have a bare minimum of one full season unless extreme circumstances are involved. That's not being greedy is it that's aiming for normality.Then we can work on getting towards the 14 month average.

I've made my views on the past NA seasons quite clear, but you seem to forget.

He was poor in relegation season , he failed no doubt about it but I don't blame him. I blame Hardy, you disagree. We've been over this. That season Nolan and Kewell also failed, also awful PPG averages.

Last season we had an awful joke of a preseason and started slowly as a result. We finished 3rd and lost a playoff final. So we weren't successful (not many just relegated clubs do go straight back up) but I don't believe that deserved a sacking. This season proper preseason, signed plenty of players no excuses. Promotion or leave.

All sounds very reasonable to me. You have a different view clearly you wanted him sacked after the Swindon cos he was totally to blame for relegation. You wanted him sacked during the bad run last season in the autumn. You wanted him sacked after deservedly losing the playoff final to Halifax.

I disagree and think it's a comical viewpoint as it highlights the issue we've had as a club for far too long but everyone is allowed an opinion.

We just don't need to go over it again. Looks like the owners have made their decision they won't review until the seasons conclusion. I know that's not what you and others wanted but that's the reality. Just be patient wait for him to fail again , he gets asked to clear his desk and you are then happy. New manager time.

[laddo]

Typical still not answering the question

Will answer all questions but need you to show me where I said minimum 3 seasons. You are getting into a bad habit that I see in others. You can't just make things up and expect it not to be highlight#bucksfizz

I'm gonna leave you now to think about that a little before replying. If you just made it up then just admit it and we can move on.

[Davy500]

Will answer all questions but need you to show me where I said minimum 3 seasons. You are getting into a bad habit that I see in others. You can't just make things up and expect it not to be highlight#bucksfizz

I'm gonna leave you now to think about that a little before replying. If you just made it up then just admit it and we can move on.

A good try Laddo, to avoid admitting , that you have no other reason for blindly following Ardley, than we have sacked to many mangers before, so he should be given more time - how has that worked out for us ??

In a sense that is what you have said, 2 full seasons, and 30 games from League 2, is that not nearly 3 seasons?? Why not sack him after his first 12 games when the writing was on the wall, glowing like a neon sign, Ardley is crap, why not after Swindon, why not after Harragate, why not after Dover etc, i will tell you why cause of your mantra crap - give him more time, we cant keep sacking managers
Any club can and should sack incompetent Managers, Mansfield seem to be doing well after sacking coughlan , who record of 4 wins from 27, was actually better than Ardleys 4 wins from 29 ( 1 in 12 at Notts, and 3 from last 17 at Wimbledon )
And I and many others will not forget the relegation season, because it was on Ardleys watch, and the negative, defensive tactics that relegated us, are the same ones 2 years later that will keep us in the national League i

[countygump]

Can't believe you are still going back to the relegation season.

Neither can I, the most momentous, gut wrenching season in our entire history and people are still referring back to it almost 2 full seasons later?


A worrying trend.

[laddo]

Neither can I, the most momentous, gut wrenching season in our entire history and people are still referring back to it almost 2 full seasons later?


A worrying trend.

Relegation? I sure hope not, even the person with the pointiest of pitchforks on here is expecting that Gump!

It was indeed gut wrenching, a complete sh!tshow, strangely comical at times, definitely embarrassing to a whole new level to what we've witnessed before and perhaps somewhat inevitable.

Alas you can't change the past only the future.

COYP