THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[Davy500]

Yet you contradict yourself , you blame the electrician , but not Ardley, jog on pal and crawl up Ardleys arse

[Killerkline]

No he would not have left wimbledon in a higher league , because if they had stayed they would have been relegated

They may well of been relegated had NA stayed, but we don’t know that. So the fact is, he did leave them in an higher league.

[Davy500]

I beg to differ, they would not have stayed up, hence the reason he left . Who cares - Arley releagted us, so so much for average record at wimbledon

[Killerkline]

So it must be all the financial freedom at Notts, that causing him the trouble
The real thing is Ardley had no pressure at wimbledon, they were a little club not expecting to do much, so years of mediocre was acceptable. Its a completely different story at Notts, where the pressure is on him, years of mediocre is not acceptable , especially in the national league

There are different pressures at Notts and mediocre in the NL is not acceptable.

By first avoiding relegation with Wimbledon and then winning promotion he raised expectation levels. Ultimately becoming a victim of his own success. Had they stayed in L2 where mediocre was acceptable(your words) he wouldn’t of left.

[Killerkline]

I beg to differ, they would not have stayed up, hence the reason he left . Who cares - Arley releagted us, so so much for average record at wimbledon

I’m going to call it a night. I simply don’t have the inclination to get involved in this back and forth. I respect others opinions/views, where the discussion is reasonably sensible and balanced.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I'm confused , you said I hadn't answered your question when it turns it did not once but twice?!

You said it wasn't an analogy, when your follow posts show it clearly was. Now you don't know what one is?!

Tbh Ken it's an awful analogy, like when people compare a football club to their place of work and say "if I performed or acted like that at my work is be sacked....". An electricians business is not like a football club.

To try and force a comparison my response would be if an electrician did a bad job I would blame him. However if he came from the same company that had sent two other electricians out to my house and they both did a bad job. I'd start asking some questions about their company and why their boss was hiring such substandard tradesmen.

As for your "is Ardley a good manager" question. Before I've had chance to answer it your already followed up with your thoughts. How about you show some patient and wait for the question you asked once again in the wee hours

I don't think Ardley is a good manager, I think he's an average manager. Pretty standard stuff for our level and the level above.

He's got some clear good points/positives to his management and he's got some obvious bad points/negatives. Again pretty standard stuff.

What he isn't is the "worst manager in Notts' history" as your buddy has previously stated. Now that's a comically bad analysis#noagenda. He's not even the worst manager of my lifetime of recent times.

You obviously think he's a bad manger. So a question back, who are the "good Notts managers' of the past 20 years?

What's your list of "good managers"?

Evening Laddo , I'm sorry that you get confused so easily, I think that explains an awful lot.
Like I said and apologised for , I missed your original post where you explained that you blamed the Electrician.
it was a genuine mistake ( you have even acknowledged the apology) I hope that's ok.
As for the analoggillilly thingy I don't know what it means , if my question was one that turned out to prove a point it was totally coincidental.
But you would blame the Electrician not the company.
As for your mangers Question here goes
Kewell - sacked to soon ,in my eyes had potential
Nolan - did a good job from what he inherited. when he went it was about time to go , but wouldn't have minded if he was given time to rectify what was going on , but we had gone really poor and were looking doomed from day one of the new season !
Fullerton - sacked much to soon. was possibly Ardley in disguise with his tactics. Took and expansive attacking team and turned it into one of the most defensive minded set ups you would ever see.( ok he was a disgrace in my eyes an insult to every Notts fan)
Moniz - should have been given more time to develop his style (surprising hey seeing has he got us relegated)
Curle - one of the better ones, I don't mind possession football as long as there is an end product .
Mad Dog - maybe the time was right went he went , but I had no reason to want him gone, balls of steel and passion
short - sacked much to soon,
Cotterill - did the job but ! made a fool of us with the contract situation. couldn't stand the footy he served up !
Backe - The few games he had I liked his style of play .wish he had stayed and the cash wasn't just an illusion
Mcparland- I liked some of the footy we played at times , I think he didn't just know how to get a team to defend. Questionable ethics regards the old school players - your old(experienced) therefore you're good !
Dearden - ok in difficult circumstances
Big Sam - say no more - well he had to go he was tired of football and needed a break didn't he.?
Apart from Fuller5h1t3 I have not really wanted a manger gone from day two !
managers that have been sacked over the years are plentiful but in the main I could take or leave them.
some of the names that I have missed out are mangers that I have had no time for but fell into the category of take them or leave them.
But then again they were all employed and plying their trade in the football league.
Is this any good for you ?

[Davy500]

There are different pressures at Notts and mediocre in the NL is not acceptable.

By first avoiding relegation with Wimbledon and then winning promotion he raised expectation levels. Ultimately becoming a victim of his own success. Had they stayed in L2 where mediocre was acceptable(your words) he wouldn’t of left.

Yes that is true,
guess a bit like Nolan starting off so well, and raising expectation, and ultimately becoming a victim of his earlier success,

Ardley point per a game at wimbledon is average to poor to be honest , only 32.5 %

Ardley

Team From To Record
P W D L Win %
AFC Wimbledon 10 October 2012 12 November 2018 326 106 93 127 32.5
Notts County 23 November 2018 Present 97 41 25 31 42.3
Total 423 147 118 158 34.8

Nolan

Team From To Record Ref.
P W D L Win %
Leyton Orient 21 January 2016 12 April 2016 15 7 2 6 46.7 [67][73][107]
Notts County 12 January 2017 26 August 2018 84 35 23 26 41.7 [108]
Total 99 42 25 32 42.4 —



So Nolan win rate of 42.4% against Ardleys 34.8 across 2 clubs proves beyond any doubt Nolan is the better manager. Even today Nolan probably earns more than Ardley as assistant at West ham

[Davy500]

Evening Laddo , I'm sorry that you get confused so easily, I think that explains an awful lot.
Like I said and apologised for , I missed your original post where you explained that you blamed the Electrician.
it was a genuine mistake ( you have even acknowledged the apology) I hope that's ok.
As for the analoggillilly thingy I don't know what it means , if my question was one that turned out to prove a point it was totally coincidental.
But you would blame the Electrician not the company.
As for your mangers Question here goes
Kewell - sacked to soon ,in my eyes had potential
Nolan - did a good job from what he inherited. when he went it was about time to go , but wouldn't have minded if he was given time to rectify what was going on , but we had gone really poor and were looking doomed from day one of the new season !
Fullerton - sacked much to soon. was possibly Ardley in disguise with his tactics. Took and expansive attacking team and turned it into one of the most defensive minded set ups you would ever see.( ok he was a disgrace in my eyes an insult to every Notts fan)
Moniz - should have been given more time to develop his style (surprising hey seeing has he got us relegated)
Curle - one of the better ones, I don't mind possession football as long as there is an end product .
Mad Dog - maybe the time was right went he went , but I had no reason to want him gone, balls of steel and passion
short - sacked much to soon,
Cotterill - did the job but ! made a fool of us with the contract situation. couldn't stand the footy he served up !
Backe - The few games he had I liked his style of play .wish he had stayed and the cash wasn't just an illusion
Mcparland- I liked some of the footy we played at times , I think he didn't just know how to get a team to defend. Questionable ethics regards the old school players - your old(experienced) therefore you're good !
Dearden - ok in difficult circumstances
Big Sam - say no more - well he had to go he was tired of football and needed a break didn't he.?
Apart from Fuller5h1t3 I have not really wanted a manger gone from day two !
managers that have been sacked over the years are plentiful but in the main I could take or leave them.
some of the names that I have missed out are mangers that I have had no time for but fell into the category of take them or leave them.
But then again they were all employed and plying their trade in the football league.
Is this any good for you ?

Every one was better, made me laugh about Fullarton being Ardley in disguise, with the defensive tactics, there first 12 matches at Notts were similar, with Fullarton just edging it

[Davy500]

I’m going to call it a night. I simply don’t have the inclination to get involved in this back and forth. I respect others opinions/views, where the discussion is reasonably sensible and balanced.

With regard to managers becoming the victim of their own success

Its human nature, we are all inheritantly greedy, wanting more and more. Its like in my job, having got a decent pay increase, i will not want to go back to the lower rate , i only want to go higher

[i961pie]

No fool, i blame Ardley for accepting a job knowing all the circumstances , that he then failed at , nobody else fault but Ardleys got that

You blame Ardley for accepting a job?? God you do talk rubbish.