O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Andy_Faber]

Back on subject, just been jabbed, the process couldn't have been more efficient. Well done one and all

[ramAnag]

Fair do's RA, like you say it's your opinion.
Public opinion though doesn't agree with you.
He comes across to many, as a moaner with no brilliant ideas. Seeing as his ideas are unaccountable, that's just not good enough.
To be fair to your comment, the party itself still does him no favours. Yet lets be honest here, he picked the shadow cabinet.

It's things like this little gem that get him humiliated and the party laughed at. Like I said, time they pampered to the majority and not the minority. Then his COVID COMPLAINTS would get more serious attention. IMO.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/...of-mr-and-mrs/

Not sure you’re in any position to define ‘public opinion’ Tricky.

Suspect your friends and associates will be just as unrepresentative as mine in so much as we tend to spend time - remember those days - and find ourselves attracted to like minded people.

For what it’s worth your ‘Mx’ example seems like total nonsense to me too, but it is a tiny example from someone I’ve never heard of, and if you really want to judge public opinion then I’d suggest that some of the recent incompetent utterances from the likes of Raab, Williamson, Gove and Patel have been far more alarming.

It’s a long time till the next election, Tricky and Starmer has his own Labour Party ****show to sort out. Who knows where we’ll be in 3+ years time. Hopefully, and I do mean this, Johnson and other leaders will have earned huge kudos via their overcoming of Covid. There’s also the small matter of Brexit and, by the time of the next election, there’ll be no hiding place on that one anymore.

We’ll see...but in the BJ v KS leadership/common sense stakes there’s only one winner for me.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Agreed rA


And its not who you think either. But I doubt BJ would contest another election. He will be burned out by then having to deal with covid and brexit: someone else will be given the task of defeating a perhaps revived Labour party.

[Trickytreesreds]

Not sure you’re in any position to define ‘public opinion’ Tricky.

Suspect your friends and associates will be just as unrepresentative as mine in so much as we tend to spend time - remember those days - and find ourselves attracted to like minded people.

For what it’s worth your ‘Mx’ example seems like total nonsense to me too, but it is a tiny example from someone I’ve never heard of, and if you really want to judge public opinion then I’d suggest that some of the recent incompetent utterances from the likes of Raab, Williamson, Gove and Patel have been far more alarming.

It’s a long time till the next election, Tricky and Starmer has his own Labour Party ****show to sort out. Who knows where we’ll be in 3+ years time. Hopefully, and I do mean this, Johnson and other leaders will have earned huge kudos via their overcoming of Covid. There’s also the small matter of Brexit and, by the time of the next election, there’ll be no hiding place on that one anymore.

We’ll see...but in the BJ v KS leadership/common sense stakes there’s only one winner for me.

It wasn't my public opinion RA, it was a direct comment about various opinion polls.

I concur, Starmer has 3 years yet, but has a hell of a lot of clearing out to do. Comments like the MX idea don't do a credible job, coming from a shadow cabinet minister.

GP is right, Johnson won't be the leader by then. I believe he will bow out with what he thinks is a peak. Brexit achieved, COVID conquered.
Another year, then step back with a clean sheet.
Clever really.
Take Blair, Labour's longest serving PM, yet always be remembered for the lies to take us to war.
No matter how many times he reappears now, no one will ever take him seriously again.

[Andy_Faber]

Take Blair, no one will ever take him seriously again.

That's actually an interesting long-running open sore amongst labour-supporting/left-leaning/Corbynite/Momentummy folk on social media, something along the lines of 'At least Corbyn didn't lead us into war'/'only with ourselves'. I know Blair's got to keep himself in the public eye for his own sake but he doesn't help the Labour cause in doing so

[swaledale]

Agreed rA


And its not who you think either. But I doubt BJ would contest another election. He will be burned out by then having to deal with covid and brexit: someone else will be given the task of defeating a perhaps revived Labour party.

Burned out how exactly? its not as if he actually does much apart from waffle on, all the legwork is done by others, he just appears in public as a face, doubt he even knows much of the detail and sure as hell hasn't a clue as to how things actually work! The only effort he has ever made and the only thing he cares about is whats good for him.

If he isn't around at the next election, it will only be because whichever faction in the Tory party has the power will have decided he is no longer an electoral plus!

Now a combination of the economic reality of Brexit coupled with the cockup he has presided over with Covid, may be enough to make the Tories press the eject button, but the likelihood of a significant majority of the ****wit electorate actually working out he is a lying lazy incompetent **** (despite so much clear evidence of this fact) is at the moment quite small.

[swaledale]

Biden has been in position for almost exactly one month.

Starmer has been leader of the Labour Party for just ten months and of a Party that has now been in opposition for almost eleven years. All his time as leader of the opposition has been spent during a pandemic, with a largely empty House of Commons and, thanks to Corbyn and Co, a very divided Labour Party up against a massive Government majority. Despite all that he has still managed to show Johnson the way on a number of occasions and invariably talks more sense than the PM...imo.

Jeez rA your arguing with someone who is patently very dim! I mean claiming that Biden has done nothing, rather overlooks some very significant roll backs of policy that Trump advanced, but Thicky clearly doesn't realise that.

As for the impeachment of Trump - firstly there was a guilty vote, he wasn't impeached because enough Republicans didn't have the balls to vote, BUT that was largely symbolic, Trump has a number of legal and financial issues facing him in the coming months, it wasn't the fault of the Democrats that the impeachment action failed. Biden is getting on with change rather than mouthing off every day like Trump did, intelligent people would know that!

Nobody could convince Thicky of anything, he loves simple things and does not understand politics, its a long game and if he doesn't think Starmer represents the most competent possible prime minister this country could have in a long while then thats down to him being one of the dimwits that voted in Johnson, the ones whom populists know they can con with lies because they don't understand the detail!

One point though rA, the Labour Party is no more divided than the Tories are - all political parties are amalgams of wide political views and there are as many internal power struggles within the Tories as within Labour - I mean if a Labour leader had purged the same number of MP's as Johnson did, the right wing press would be having a field day.

[ramAnag]

Take Blair, Labour's longest serving PM, yet always be remembered for the lies to take us to war.
No matter how many times he reappears now, no one will ever take him seriously again.

Funny thing, Blair - who imo did so much good - is repeatedly, and fairly, castigated for taking us into war in Iraq, while Thatcher - who imo did so much damage - remains the ‘darling of the Right’ and was given almost heroic status for taking us to war with Argentina.

Have a wild guess where more British troops died...Iraq or the South Atlantic?

Anyway...it’s all slightly irrelevant. The topic is ‘The Government’s handling of Covid’, the sub topic, as introduced by Tricky, is Johnson v Starmer. Blair, Corbyn and Momentum have little, if anything, to do with that.

P.S. Swale, ironically you actually give TTR more publicity than anyone, and I’m just not interested in that sort of personalisation of any argument. If he argues reasonably I respond...if he doesn’t, I don’t. I do however completely agree with your point about the divisions being just as great amongst the Tories as Labour. Good point, well made.

[Trickytreesreds]

Funny thing, Blair - who imo did so much good - is repeatedly, and fairly, castigated for taking us into war in Iraq, while Thatcher - who imo did so much damage - remains the ‘darling of the Right’ and was given almost heroic status for taking us to war with Argentina.

Have a wild guess where more British troops died...Iraq or the South Atlantic?


Jesus Christ, did I really just read that?

That has to be the most astonishing thing I have ever heard, regarding the sending of British troops onto battle.
Please tell me, you didn't teach history? If so, those kids will need recalling for reprogramming.

[Trickytreesreds]

R rate at its lowest for 9 months.
Really good news and with the jabs in full swing, maybe we can have a summer holiday?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronaviru...211016197.html