Like his persona but has Warne run his time with us?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Grist, I agree wholeheartedly in today's football economic climate but, it still shows of lacking ambition to at least attempt to stay in the Championship......again!

But staying in the Championship means more games that are basically survival games with few wins and not much entertainment.

And for what? A hard core of 10k fans at the very best

[MillersTime]

Grist, I agree wholeheartedly in today's football economic climate but, it still shows of lacking ambition to at least attempt to stay in the Championship......again!

But they are trying to stay in the division. When we beat Preston 3 weeks ago nobody said we weren't trying then did they? When we had a good spell. We were trying then and we are trying now. If we go down it isn't automatically because we haven't given it everything. We have tried but within our financial means. That means less money to throw at it than others, just how it is.

We could of got 3 guys in on 10k a week, maybe we would stay up with them, maybe we wouldn't. If we did then brilliant, go from there. If we didn't we could end up stuck with players on huge wages in league 1, hard to shift, perhaps unsettle the team and the long term knock on could be huge for the club. It is all a calculated gamble, prudence over all in perhaps but we still have a team to compete in the 3rd tier again if it doesn't quite work. Then maybe we get another go and we are that bit better from this time around.

[millertop]

But they are trying to stay in the division. When we beat Preston 3 weeks ago nobody said we weren't trying then did they? When we had a good spell. We were trying then and we are trying now. If we go down it isn't automatically because we haven't given it everything. We have tried but within our financial means. That means less money to throw at it than others, just how it is.

We could of got 3 guys in on 10k a week, maybe we would stay up with them, maybe we wouldn't. If we did then brilliant, go from there. If we didn't we could end up stuck with players on huge wages in league 1, hard to shift, perhaps unsettle the team and the long term knock on could be huge for the club. It is all a calculated gamble, prudence over all in perhaps but we still have a team to compete in the 3rd tier again if it doesn't quite work. Then maybe we get another go and we are that bit better from this time around.

Last time I thought we threw towel in, I agree this time we are trying to stay up and I still believe we will unless we have anymore bloody injury issues

[Brin]

But they are trying to stay in the division. When we beat Preston 3 weeks ago nobody said we weren't trying then did they? When we had a good spell. We were trying then and we are trying now. If we go down it isn't automatically because we haven't given it everything. We have tried but within our financial means. That means less money to throw at it than others, just how it is.

We could of got 3 guys in on 10k a week, maybe we would stay up with them, maybe we wouldn't. If we did then brilliant, go from there. If we didn't we could end up stuck with players on huge wages in league 1, hard to shift, perhaps unsettle the team and the long term knock on could be huge for the club. It is all a calculated gamble, prudence over all in perhaps but we still have a team to compete in the 3rd tier again if it doesn't quite work. Then maybe we get another go and we are that bit better from this time around.

'Then maybe we get another go and we are that bit better from this time around'.......he said that last time.

No one has said get 3 players in on 10k a week, where have you got that from? You'll never see a player on £10k a week ever again in Tony Stewarts tenure.

[MillersTime]

'Then maybe we get another go and we are that bit better from this time around'.......he said that last time.

No one has said get 3 players in on 10k a week, where have you got that from? You'll never see a player on £10k a week ever again in Tony Stewarts tenure.

Well if you think TS hasn't backed PW enough financially to seriously try and stay in this league then you are wanting players in. Or is that presumption wrong? If not then I don't get your argument about the lack of ambition. Where else is the ambition lacking but in transfers? Better players, players costing more money. 10k a week, 7, 8, 9, whatever. You get the idea.

He did and would probably say it again, that's the reality of our situation in this league. We are punching above our financial clout so that's the way we have to look at it. Doesn't mean we should settle for anything subpar but we have to be realistic.

[Brin]

Well if you think TS hasn't backed PW enough financially to seriously try and stay in this league then you are wanting players in. Or is that presumption wrong? If not then I don't get your argument about the lack of ambition. Where else is the ambition lacking but in transfers? Better players, players costing more money. 10k a week, 7, 8, 9, whatever. You get the idea.

He did and would probably say it again, that's the reality of our situation in this league. We are punching above our financial clout so that's the way we have to look at it. Doesn't mean we should settle for anything subpar but we have to be realistic.

First off I don't have an 'argument' I have a point, big difference there. I realise the reality in staying solvent and not to be under pressure even attempting to try and get players in on £10K a week as we aren't that type of lavish/stupid club.

We did need new players in January just looking at our LTI situation but, we ship 5/6 out and bring in two loans???

As for, 'He did and would probably say it again, that's the reality of our situation in this league', why say it if you're not going to act on it and make yourself sound like a long playing record promoting false promise again? If you ain't going to do it, then don't say it!

I am realistic but for a businessman who has come so far in what he has achieved, I think he has failed yet again to retain the bigger purse from the EFL, (£7.1 Million back down to £1.4 Million) if we drop down again. That doesn't make logical/financial sense.

Thing is we are who we are and have to be grateful of a yo-yo experience as an up and down club in the football world. Grist made a valid point that he would rather see us have a damn good go in League 1, with probably more goals and entertainment than being rolled over in close games in the Championship.

We all have our own views and everyone of these should be respected whether we agree or disagree with them. before anyone says where's my money? I didn't choose to be a Chairman.

NB. I feel this post should be on the Chairman's one as it is not aimed directly at Paul Warne.

[MillersTime]

First off I don't have an 'argument' I have a point, big difference there. I realise the reality in staying solvent and not to be under pressure even attempting to try and get players in on £10K a week as we aren't that type of lavish/stupid club.

We did need new players in January just looking at our LTI situation but, we ship 5/6 out and bring in two loans???

As for, 'He did and would probably say it again, that's the reality of our situation in this league', why say it if you're not going to act on it and make yourself sound like a long playing record promoting false promise again? If you ain't going to do it, then don't say it!

I am realistic but for a businessman who has come so far in what he has achieved, I think he has failed yet again to retain the bigger purse from the EFL, (£7.1 Million back down to £1.4 Million) if we drop down again. That doesn't make logical/financial sense.

Thing is we are who we are and have to be grateful of a yo-yo experience as an up and down club in the football world. Grist made a valid point that he would rather see us have a damn good go in League 1, with probably more goals and entertainment than being rolled over in close games in the Championship.

We all have our own views and everyone of these should be respected whether we agree or disagree with them. before anyone says where's my money? I didn't choose to be a Chairman.

Argument - a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory. I thought you had a theory that TS hasn't supported our survival bid enough. Perhaps correct, perhaps not. I'm not claiming you are having an argument in the heated sense of the word but perhaps we should stop splitting hairs?

January was a financial decision as per. That and the desire to ship out some ineffective players such as Vassell. In order to balance the books we obviously had to ship more out to afford the two better players we got in. That perhaps highlights where we are at, 6 of our league 1 ability players are equal to the cost of 2 championship players. We did the best we could within our budget. PW spoke about the reasons a lot of players are hard to get in in January. Extra subs so clubs are keeping hold, bigger clubs going for the same players and simply some not wanting to come no doubt. We can't force people to sign.

I don't get what you're saying about promises. I may have missed something but what did he actually say in terms of promises that he isn't keeping to? I thought he has always said we would attempt to be competitive, even with our constraints. Are we not doing that?

We don't know yet if we have failed to maintain our status and the purse of the championship. If we do go down it perhaps make footballing sense. Financial and football sense are very different but are clearly linked. When you are fighting an uphill battle on both fronts then it is going to be tough.

Yeah Grist is right in many ways, at least we dont have boring seasons hey! Each season offers something else, going up against bigger clubs to test ourselves and try get closer or play teams around our size and sometimes tonk teams which is always fun. We just have to enjoy the ride as best we can. Ironically we probably play better football in league 1 because we can.

Totally agree about respecting opinions. It is a game of opinions after all, nothing deeper than that and shouldn't ever be. We're all Millers afterall

[flourbasher]

Yeah Grist is right in many ways, at least we dont have boring seasons hey! Each season offers something else, going up against bigger clubs to test ourselves and try get closer or play teams around our size and sometimes tonk teams which is always fun.

That's very true particularly since we've been at the NYS.
It's either been promotions, relegations or staying in the cship against the odds.
We haven't had a single season where we've been mediocre.

Even the Alan Stubbs season was spectacularly bad; if you're going to be poor then be really poor

[MillersTime]

That's very true particularly since we've been at the NYS.
It's either been promotions, relegations or staying in the cship against the odds.
We haven't had a single season where we've been mediocre.

Even the Alan Stubbs season was spectacularly bad; if you're going to be poor then be really poor

Absolutely, better to be memorable! I found myself reading about Oldham the other day, 21 seasons in a row in league 1 before relegation 3 years ago. Included within that, the last 10 seasons, both in league 1 and 2 they haven't finished in the top half in any season. Imagine how disillusioned their fans must be!

[Beaufighter]

Absolutely, better to be memorable! I found myself reading about Oldham the other day, 21 seasons in a row in league 1 before relegation 3 years ago. Included within that, the last 10 seasons, both in league 1 and 2 they haven't finished in the top half in any season. Imagine how disillusioned their fans must be!

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