Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[Taintedice]

Hardly progressive views, more likely fantasy land and ill thought out views.

Unlike you with your nonsense about bonuses schemes causing a global financial crash, I wasn't being serious.

[BCram]

If Scotland became an independent country the SNP party would disappear and mot of their supporters would go crawling back to vote Labour.
We would be stuck with the Labour Party in power for ever more and taxed to the hilt.
Be very careful what you wish for.

I have been interested in this idea for a long time. When you look at other countries, mainly in Africa but elsewhere too, the people who were given the right to form the first government were usually members who had led the campaigns for independence. Some of them became dictators some were overthrown by armed struggle and all have not thought that being part of the British Empire was a better option. I think the SNP have distinct groupings within their party. They started out as Tartan Tories and once they were able to show that they were an effective opposition to Labour they swing to the left and picked up the anti Tony Blair loyal Labour voters who believed in clause 4.
I was hopeful that Holyrood would not be dominated by one party if we voted for independence. That hope has been dented quite a bit by the trouble that The Salmond committee has encountered. This was a major surprise to me. It looks like all governments who have power act in their own rather than the national interest. It is possible to see Brexit as a discussion that was designed to save the Conservative party rather than an honest attempt to return power to the electorate.
If we ever do vote for independence I hope that we do not end up with a one party state. I think the voting system is designed to create multi party governments and am hopeful that we will not face decades of single party governments.

[deecom]

I have been interested in this idea for a long time. When you look at other countries, mainly in Africa but elsewhere too, the people who were given the right to form the first government were usually members who had led the campaigns for independence. Some of them became dictators some were overthrown by armed struggle and all have not thought that being part of the British Empire was a better option. I think the SNP have distinct groupings within their party. They started out as Tartan Tories and once they were able to show that they were an effective opposition to Labour they swing to the left and picked up the anti Tony Blair loyal Labour voters who believed in clause 4.
I was hopeful that Holyrood would not be dominated by one party if we voted for independence. That hope has been dented quite a bit by the trouble that The Salmond committee has encountered. This was a major surprise to me. It looks like all governments who have power act in their own rather than the national interest. It is possible to see Brexit as a discussion that was designed to save the Conservative party rather than an honest attempt to return power to the electorate.
If we ever do vote for independence I hope that we do not end up with a one party state. I think the voting system is designed to create multi party governments and am hopeful that we will not face decades of single party governments.

The SNP have gained rapid growth in Scotland, because when they came into power, sweeping changes were made.
The abolition of bridge tolls, hospital parking charges, free bus travel and free university tuition etc.
Also the lack of opposition was a factor, the Tories have never been popular in Scotland, although I think Ruth Davidson has given them credibility.
Labour, once the dominant party in Scotland, sat on their laurels and made no significant changes.
After the poll tax was ditched, Labour had the chance to change the rates system, which had caused the poll tax in the first place.
Instead they dithered, tinkered with it, and the only significant change was calling it Council Tax.
Once again we were back to a rates system, a property tax.
As for the Liberal party in Scotland, it seems to me that voters tend to vote for the person , rather than the party, but it has never been a strong alternative.

[Returnofrros]

The SNP have gained rapid growth in Scotland, because when they came into power, sweeping changes were made.
The abolition of bridge tolls, hospital parking charges, free bus travel and free university tuition etc.
Also the lack of opposition was a factor, the Tories have never been popular in Scotland, although I think Ruth Davidson has given them credibility.
Labour, once the dominant party in Scotland, sat on their laurels and made no significant changes.
After the poll tax was ditched, Labour had the chance to change the rates system, which had caused the poll tax in the first place.
Instead they dithered, tinkered with it, and the only significant change was calling it Council Tax.
Once again we were back to a rates system, a property tax.
As for the Liberal party in Scotland, it seems to me that voters tend to vote for the person , rather than the party, but it has never been a strong alternative.

Conservative and Unionist party the only party to ever achieve more than 50% of the popular vote in Scotland.

[Returnofrros]

They averaged around 30% of the Scottish vote during the Maggie years.

[Deeranged]

Conservative and Unionist party the only party to ever achieve more than 50% of the popular vote in Scotland.

However, after shafting the teuchters and fisher fowk over Brexit that's likely to drop significantly

[Taintedice]

Conservative and Unionist party the only party to ever achieve more than 50% of the popular vote in Scotland.

2 separate parties combining and achieving a certain percentage not quite the same as a single party doing it.

[Returnofrros]

However, after shafting the teuchters and fisher fowk over Brexit that's likely to drop significantly

Vote share will be affected by tactical voting but they will have a good election me thinks.

[Returnofrros]

2 separate parties combining and achieving a certain percentage not quite the same as a single party doing it.

Conservative vote 50.1😎

Obviously that stings a bit but hey ho......conservative.....unionist and liberal.....two cheeks same bum.

Conservative party has had more votes than any other party in Scotland.....ever.

[Returnofrros]

SNP got 12,112 votes in that election.😃