O/T Sarah Everard - Collective Responsibility

[MillersTime]

An article from my local newspaper today regarding Sarah Everard and men taking collective responsibility.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/sarah-e...bility-7822274

I'm sure we all know about the case and collectively feel appalled by what happened to an entirely innocent young lady. Now the article raises a few points, first of all that men should discuss with other men attitudes and abuse of women. Whether that be comments or physical abuse. I've seen online people discussing this so here I am, taking the plunge and putting it out there for us to talk about if you so wish.

I for one cross the street late at night if behind a female (if I reasonably can) and I'm sure most of us do. Seems like common sense after all both for the female and for yourself.

This is where I'll try and explain what I think the horrible truth is. I may be wrong but it's just my own opinion. Challenge misogyny, challenge openly dangerous attitudes and behaviours if you come across them etc etc. All thumbs up from me. If that changes someone from considering doing something or their attitudes then it is worth it BUT I can't help but shake the feeling that those with such intentions would just be pushed to internalise the attitudes and hide them from everyone. I doubt many that have such thoughts vocalise them anyway but those that may, I fear about them going more secretive. Most importantly though, if 99.99% of men have no intention to kidnap and murder a random woman off the streets there is very little you can do about the 0.01%. That's a horrible reality, I'm not saying we should just accept that, I'm just trying to say I think that is the sad reality.

Whilst not comparing like for like, merely the difficulty, if someone wants to walk up to any of us and try to rob us, you can't do much to stop them trying, if they want to walk up behind and punch you in the back of the head what can you do? You can have 99.99% condemning such behaviour but the horrible reality is that it won't stop that tiny percentage.

So, collective responsibility for individual actions? It's damn hard to digest that as it isn't our fault what someone did to that poor woman. Saying that I do feel like we, as a society, have let her down even though individually we were powerless.

Sorry Sarah, RIP

[millertop]

RIP Sarah

Nobody not just women are safe walking the streets at night especially in certain areas.

100% should be able to defend yourself but we know that can land you/us in trouble which is so wrong

Trust nobody but yourself

[Brin]

This pointless tragic appalling case is sadly an indictment of today's society with a legal system that doesn't justify sentences that are sometimes handed out.

This young lady had her whole world/life in front of her and now it's been snuffed out just like a candle. The mindless evil senseless b.astard that did this will probably get a whole life tariff but, will get 4 square meals a a day, with top recreational facilities, tv, gym, access to make calls etc whereas he should be strung up from the nearest gallows.

They say hanging is abhorrent but, what has he now got to offer society? It will cost thousands to house him until the day, he hopefully tops himself, or until he dies. If ever there was a case for execution to be brought back, then this is one.

What must that poor girl's family be going through now? I just cannot imagine their heartache.

May God bless you Sarah. RIP you didn't deserve this

I echo Millerstime's suggestions that males should, if at all possible, make females passage of way as safe as possible that they may feel in.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Well sadly it’s all very predictable

Something happens
It goes viral on the internet
Somebody is caught
There’s a very expensive and long court case
A pathetically low prison sentence is handed out
The culprit gets let out half way through the sentence
Becomes tomorrow’s chip paper

Repeat ad nauseum

[MillersTime]

This pointless tragic appalling case is sadly an indictment of today's society with a legal system that doesn't justify sentences that are sometimes handed out.

This young lady had her whole world/life in front of her and now it's been snuffed out just like a candle. The mindless evil senseless b.astard that did this will probably get a whole life tariff but, will get 4 square meals a a day, with top recreational facilities, tv, gym, access to make calls etc whereas he should be strung up from the nearest gallows.

They say hanging is abhorrent but, what has he now got to offer society? It will cost thousands to house him until the day, he hopefully tops himself, or until he dies. If ever there was a case for execution to be brought back, then this is one.

What must that poor girl's family be going through now? I just cannot imagine their heartache.

May God bless you Sarah. RIP you didn't deserve this

My mind can't even comprehend how her family must feel. How could any of us carry on if something like that happened to our daughter, sister, mother. What is life after something like this? Heartbreaking.

I read that he went to hospital twice whilst in custody for self inflicted head wounds, if he is guilty and convicted, after he admits what happened no matter how traumatic then I couldn't care less what happens to him. But if he does go and commit suicide then he is let off, he should suffer for years and years in his own mind for what he has done.

Oh and secondary victims, he has 2 kids, poor buggers. Also entirely innocent.

[Brin]

My mind can't even comprehend how her family must feel. How could any of us carry on if something like that happened to our daughter, sister, mother. What is life after something like this? Heartbreaking.

I read that he went to hospital twice whilst in custody for self inflicted head wounds, if he is guilty and convicted, after he admits what happened no matter how traumatic then I couldn't care less what happens to him. But if he does go and commit suicide then he is let off, he should suffer for years and years in his own mind for what he has done.

Oh and secondary victims, he has 2 kids, poor buggers. Also entirely innocent.

Yes the catastrophic after events roll on and on for many poor innocent victims, like you say, his kids for one.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

In the last 12 months murders of women are lower than the 12 months before that

For every 5 murders 4 are men and only 1 is a woman

Of the female killings the murderer was somebody they knew in more than 70% of the cases

Which makes collective responsibility difficult. What we need is state responsibility to create a more effective deterrent

[ragingpup]

In the last 12 months murders of women are lower than the 12 months before that

For every 5 murders 4 are men and only 1 is a woman

Of the female killings the murderer was somebody they knew in more than 70% of the cases

Which makes collective responsibility difficult. What we need is state responsibility to create a more effective deterrent

Does the death penalty in America have any positive impact on murder rates?

[millertop]

In the last 12 months murders of women are lower than the 12 months before that

For every 5 murders 4 are men and only 1 is a woman

Of the female killings the murderer was somebody they knew in more than 70% of the cases

Which makes collective responsibility difficult. What we need is state responsibility to create a more effective deterrent

Tell that to this ****ing idiot, like I’ve said it’s all not just women

Green Party's Baroness Jones suggests 6pm curfew for men

[millertop]

This pointless tragic appalling case is sadly an indictment of today's society with a legal system that doesn't justify sentences that are sometimes handed out.

This young lady had her whole world/life in front of her and now it's been snuffed out just like a candle. The mindless evil senseless b.astard that did this will probably get a whole life tariff but, will get 4 square meals a a day, with top recreational facilities, tv, gym, access to make calls etc whereas he should be strung up from the nearest gallows.

They say hanging is abhorrent but, what has he now got to offer society? It will cost thousands to house him until the day, he hopefully tops himself, or until he dies. If ever there was a case for execution to be brought back, then this is one.

What must that poor girl's family be going through now? I just cannot imagine their heartache.

May God bless you Sarah. RIP you didn't deserve this

I echo Millerstime's suggestions that males should, if at all possible, make females passage of way as safe as possible that they may feel in.

Will he be protected inside,? hopefully not