711,156

[mickd1961]

Vaccines given on Friday.

Never mind though.......let’s hear the slagging off about anything the government do brigade.

Fabulous achievement of both procurement and delivery by the NHS.

I wonder how many the Nazis and the Frogs managed on Friday?

[baggieal]

Vaccines given on Friday.

Never mind though.......let’s hear the slagging off about anything the government do brigade.

Fabulous achievement of both procurement and delivery by the NHS.

I wonder how many the Nazis and the Frogs managed on Friday?

On the vaccination the government have done a fantastic job and the vaccination centre's were all carefully thought out and run so professionally. Such a shame the scum in London spoil the good work that's been done - the Police really should have blasted them with water canyons. Most looked as if they needed a good wash anyway!

[regis80]

Vaccines given on Friday.

Never mind though.......let’s hear the slagging off about anything the government do brigade.

Fabulous achievement of both procurement and delivery by the NHS.

I wonder how many the Nazis and the Frogs managed on Friday?

We really going to praise the government for the vaccinations rollout? seriously? This is all down to NHS staff and the scientists who developed the vaccines.. not those inept bunch of politicians. We wouldn’t be in such a bad place had they not imposed restrictions based on SAGE advice early on.

[TipperaryBaggie]

The successful rollout has been possible because this government took us out of the EU. If a Labour government had been elected at the last election, we would be tied to the disastrous vaccine rollout bring administered by those numbskulls in Brussels.

[Leicesterbaggie]

You're totally correct Tipps about the ineptitude and basic corruption of the EU. This is one of the reasons, among many, why I voted to leave. We have the ludicrous situation in Germany whereby they are now going to continue with vaccinations but can't access those who are of an eligible age because of data protection. So guess what they are doing? They're going to try and identify these individuals by how old their names are. Can you believe that? How people can criticise our government after this, is beyond me. Of course our government have made mistakes as I have pointed out before, but whoever had been responsible would have made mistakes. Thank God we don't live in an EU country if this is the case.

[regis80]

The successful rollout has been possible because this government took us out of the EU. If a Labour government had been elected at the last election, we would be tied to the disastrous vaccine rollout bring administered by those numbskulls in Brussels.

That’s such a false statement to make TB that if the previous labour government had been elected would been tied to Brussels rollout. If you’re referring to JC, well he was against the EU and was a skeptic and doubt he’d have followed or be told by the EU what to do with vaccines. This isn’t a praise for JC either.
Also, i’m sure each country in the EU has their own freedom to get their own vaccines. Like as some countries deciding to suspend the use of AZ while others not despite what the EMAs stance had been few days ago. This issue with EU and vaccines has just got political and one thing i cannot stand about these EU MEPs + Macron.

[viaductbaggies]

Vaccines given on Friday.

Never mind though.......let’s hear the slagging off about anything the government do brigade.

Fabulous achievement of both procurement and delivery by the NHS.

I wonder how many the Nazis and the Frogs managed on Friday?

Which I was one of

I’m a record breaker 🙂

[baggiematt]

We really going to praise the government for the vaccinations rollout? seriously? This is all down to NHS staff and the scientists who developed the vaccines.. not those inept bunch of politicians. We wouldn’t be in such a bad place had they not imposed restrictions based on SAGE advice early on.

This is a bit of a non-point. The NHS is a state delivered service and the science has been heavily funded and supported by the government. Of course they should get a piece of that credit.

SAGE advice is scientific advice around one particular matter. The government response will be based on a number of different parables. If you judge a governments performance solely on whether it took advice or not from one particular group, that's a little futile in my opinion. A government performance during a pandemic is measured by loads of parables; deaths, morbidity, cancer performance, how it supports people through the pandemic, how quickly you can get back to 'normal', education etc. Heck, given the cost will be put over 30/40 years, someone has to think about how that impacts the quality of life for decades to come. it's nearly impossible to judge the whole package based on one decision.

[regis80]

This is a bit of a non-point. The NHS is a state delivered service and the science has been heavily funded and supported by the government. Of course they should get a piece of that credit.

SAGE advice is scientific advice around one particular matter. The government response will be based on a number of different parables. If you judge a governments performance solely on whether it took advice or not from one particular group, that's a little futile in my opinion. A government performance during a pandemic is measured by loads of parables; deaths, morbidity, cancer performance, how it supports people through the pandemic, how quickly you can get back to 'normal', education etc. Heck, given the cost will be put over 30/40 years, someone has to think about how that impacts the quality of life for decades to come. it's nearly impossible to judge the whole package based on one decision.

Basically you are saying no other government would have invested as much as they have for the vaccines? Any government in charge would have. How about us tax papers getting a thank you for paying for all of this? It’s one thing the government needing to do to ‘serve its people’ then another thing to spend billions on track and trace. Dido. Oh, then award contracts to their pals down the pub during a pandemic.

The government shouldn’t be held accountable for the mess just solely on not taking early Sage advice, correct and I agree. But over the months this hasn’t been the one sole thing I have only been highlighting is it? What about letting people fly in out of the country with no checks, test, no checking if they self quarantine. What about not taking early advice in the late Autumn when cases were increasing and restrictions not being imposed then? Deaths then climb past 100k, (give it take those thinking it’s a flu). It is still a high number. I could go on, but the point i’m making is that it isn’t one sole reason that i’ve been banging on about in the past year. It’s disgusting what is going on and how they are handling this. Yet we are all locked in and praising an inept government.

[baggiematt]

Basically you are saying no other government would have invested as much as they have for the vaccines? Any government in charge would have. How about us tax papers getting a thank you for paying for all of this? It’s one thing the government needing to do to ‘serve its people’ then another thing to spend billions on track and trace. Dido. Oh, then award contracts to their pals down the pub during a pandemic.

The government shouldn’t be held accountable for the mess just solely on not taking early Sage advice, correct and I agree. But over the months this hasn’t been the one sole thing I have only been highlighting is it? What about letting people fly in out of the country with no checks, test, no checking if they self quarantine. What about not taking early advice in the late Autumn when cases were increasing and restrictions not being imposed then? Deaths then climb past 100k, (give it take those thinking it’s a flu). It is still a high number. I could go on, but the point i’m making is that it isn’t one sole reason that i’ve been banging on about in the past year. It’s disgusting what is going on and how they are handling this. Yet we are all locked in and praising an inept government.

No I'm saying that the vaccine programme in this country has been a resounding success, miles better than other countries and the government deserves credit for that. Add that to some of the government failings and you might just get a balanced view. To discredit a success because of failings on separate topics demonstrates a bias.

It's interesting that we're in our roadmap out of this while other European countries are being forced into a further lockdown. Some of that will be credited towards our governments decision to lockdown later than some other countries. This may have cost some lives at the time, but that may result in less deaths later down the line. Spain and Poland now have a much higher excess death rate than us in recent months. As I say, it's so difficult to quantify overall performance at this point in time.

Don't forget the government took scientific advice to split the length of taking each vaccine from 4 weeks to 12. Many other countries didn't do this as it seen as a risk. This is now a WHO recommended approach. This act could have saved thousands of lives.