Lockdown could last until October

[mickd1961]

If people don't have the jab and the jab is as good as they would have us believe, then the only loser's would be those who don't have it, and most of those would survive, so the rest of us could carry on as normal.
If not then we haven't been told the truth from the start.

But if 80 or more out of every 100 take the vaccine then why are the 80 supposed to live this miserable existence?

If you can’t take the vaccine you’re part of a minuscule percentage of people and unfortunately it’s going to be your personal responsibility not to put yourself in harms way, in the same way you yourself decide to walk in a dodgy area late at night or cross the road without the use of a pelican crossing......it’s called “taking personal responsibility”........it’s going out of fashion in this country sadly.

If 18-19% of the population want to line their living room with tin foil and avoid the vaccine then quite frankly......f u c k them, they deserve to catch Covid.

[baggiematt]

But if 80 or more out of every 100 take the vaccine then why are the 80 supposed to live this miserable existence?

If you can’t take the vaccine you’re part of a minuscule percentage of people and unfortunately it’s going to be your personal responsibility not to put yourself in harms way, in the same way you yourself decide to walk in a dodgy area late at night or cross the road without the use of a pelican crossing......it’s called “taking personal responsibility”........it’s going out of fashion in this country sadly.

If 18-19% of the population want to line their living room with tin foil and avoid the vaccine then quite frankly......f u c k them, they deserve to catch Covid.

Restrictions protect everyone, not just the un-vaccinated. It's a great misconception but you are protecting you and your family by sticking to the rules.

If this spreads exponentially, a small percentage of a lot of people can get very sick, even young people. This clogs up the ICU beds and resource. You or a loved one needs intensive care for something you would otherwise survive and you won't if there aren't any ICU beds. The NHS then responds to this by cancelling non-elective procedures and moves the resource to help in urgent care. This leads to delays in treatment for more long-term conditions such as cancer or the routine checkups which keep people alive. Without this, there are then more deaths which involves more people being admitted to ICU. People who would otherwise be alive and perfectly well are not. Morbidities get worse and people have a lower quality of life.

Effective healthcare is essential. This isn't just the 0.5%

In addition to this, this virus is changing which is expected but it means we aren't out of the woods. There is a variant in France which can avoid PCR detection. This means someone can be a super spreader as they aren't well but think they don't have covid. It took a year to get a vaccine and by then it's mutated into different variants. This will only get better when they get ahead of it and model vaccines based on the expected mutations.

Hopefully the restrictions needed going forward will be 'soft' such as mask wearing and some distancing in places and not like the draconian measures in place now. I mentioned in a different thread that this is a community issue not a personal one and I was right. If everyone takes the personal approach and doesn't follow the rules, there will not be an effective healthcare system and a lot of people will suffer.

[baggieal]

Restrictions protect everyone, not just the un-vaccinated. It's a great misconception but you are protecting you and your family by sticking to the rules.

If this spreads exponentially, a small percentage of a lot of people can get very sick, even young people. This clogs up the ICU beds and resource. You or a loved one needs intensive care for something you would otherwise survive and you won't if there aren't any ICU beds. The NHS then responds to this by cancelling non-elective procedures and moves the resource to help in urgent care. This leads to delays in treatment for more long-term conditions such as cancer or the routine checkups which keep people alive. Without this, there are then more deaths which involves more people being admitted to ICU. People who would otherwise be alive and perfectly well are not. Morbidities get worse and people have a lower quality of life.

Effective healthcare is essential. This isn't just the 0.5%

In addition to this, this virus is changing which is expected but it means we aren't out of the woods. There is a variant in France which can avoid PCR detection. This means someone can be a super spreader as they aren't well but think they don't have covid. It took a year to get a vaccine and by then it's mutated into different variants. This will only get better when they get ahead of it and model vaccines based on the expected mutations.

Hopefully the restrictions needed going forward will be 'soft' such as mask wearing and some distancing in places and not like the draconian measures in place now. I mentioned in a different thread that this is a community issue not a personal one and I was right. If everyone takes the personal approach and doesn't follow the rules, there will not be an effective healthcare system and a lot of people will suffer.

What’s your guess regarding overseas travel -all go from May 17th or completely on hold?

[baggiematt]

What’s your guess regarding overseas travel -all go from May 17th or completely on hold?

I don’t really know to be honest. But I imagine they will want to keep any known new variants away at all costs. This one from France has spooked a lot of scientists I understand. They are looking at extending different testing modules to react.

[mickd1961]

Restrictions protect everyone, not just the un-vaccinated. It's a great misconception but you are protecting you and your family by sticking to the rules.

If this spreads exponentially, a small percentage of a lot of people can get very sick, even young people. This clogs up the ICU beds and resource. You or a loved one needs intensive care for something you would otherwise survive and you won't if there aren't any ICU beds. The NHS then responds to this by cancelling non-elective procedures and moves the resource to help in urgent care. This leads to delays in treatment for more long-term conditions such as cancer or the routine checkups which keep people alive. Without this, there are then more deaths which involves more people being admitted to ICU. People who would otherwise be alive and perfectly well are not. Morbidities get worse and people have a lower quality of life.

Effective healthcare is essential. This isn't just the 0.5%

In addition to this, this virus is changing which is expected but it means we aren't out of the woods. There is a variant in France which can avoid PCR detection. This means someone can be a super spreader as they aren't well but think they don't have covid. It took a year to get a vaccine and by then it's mutated into different variants. This will only get better when they get ahead of it and model vaccines based on the expected mutations.

Hopefully the restrictions needed going forward will be 'soft' such as mask wearing and some distancing in places and not like the draconian measures in place now. I mentioned in a different thread that this is a community issue not a personal one and I was right. If everyone takes the personal approach and doesn't follow the rules, there will not be an effective healthcare system and a lot of people will suffer.

Young people have a microscopically low chance of dying, more of them will die this next year from using illicit drugs than from Covid I’d wager.

Once they’ve been offered the vaccine why on Earth would we want to take precautions to protect the idiots that won’t take it?

After June life will have been on hold for long enough.

My grandchildren start school in September, I don’t want them disrupted and on and off school........is this the sort of life you’re happy for you child to be born into?

Or is is that you think the next 4-5 years can be sacrificed so that it’s okay by the time you need your child to get an education?

Our little ones have already had to be “locked up” more than is fair on any toddler.

[baggiematt]

Don’t forget people are somewhere between 60-70% protected, higher in some studies but that will still leave 1 in 6-10 needing urgent treatment. This could have been 6-10 times the catastrophe without restrictions.

Add to that a small percentage of a lot of young people and it can still overrun capacity. Intensive care units are built for small numbers and you often have 2 specialist trained nurses and doctors per person at all times with a hell of a lot of kit around you. We don’t have a system that can cater for a 30% increase in admissions or well beyond that.

To answer your question, no I absolutely don’t want that. Lockdowns also have their drawbacks and can’t be a long term solution. Just trying to add some hospital based knowledge and some context as to why there will be some restrictions for a long time.

[westcountryvillain]

There is a drug called Ivermectin, used to treat parasitic infections and has proved itself to be very effective (86%) in treating Covid AND preventing infection/transmission. It's also cheap yet for every vaccine administered it costs the NHS £12.50 and other antiviral medication used in the management of HIV & hugely expensive have been approved. The authorities have blocked attempts to license Ivermectin for Covid use stating they need more data when in the past other trials have delivered such great results they've stopped early & made it policy.

We're being played to line the pockets of wealthy elites, I mean - look at the test & trace disgraceful wastage of £37bn, yet you'll be pursued in this country for not having a TV license.

[WBA1955]

A lot of pro footballers have gone down with Covid this season, but none have died or ended up in ICU.
If Cyrille Regis had died suddenly from a heart attack this year after testing positive for Covid, what would be on his death certificate?

[regis80]

Just announced a Third wave could be coming. No s hit sherlock. The word wave should be replaced by try. All this trying to restrain us down. The longer this goes on the more people start questioning what really is going on. I’m not siding with anti-vaxxers here.. but where is all this going?
If I ask how many waves and variants have the chinese had? You’ll probably say, well we can’t trust anything coming out of China. Is that so?

At this rate, there’ll be another variant named after some town/city. I’m dreading the Witton variant.

[Baggiemadguern]

On the 23 January we went into a second lock down, no warning, no time to get anything in or done, got up Saturday morning to be told via media and local news lockdown from midday that day. This was as a result of four unexplained cases with no known source. We had nearly 600 cases in the first two/three weeks and one fatality and this from just one person not isolating. The Isle of Man have nearly 900 cases all from one source, a ferry worker.

Our second lockdown lasted eight weeks and we have exited today having eased through phases 1 and 2 We are now in phase three (we have different grading/phases to UK model, stricter I believe) whereby we are basically back to normal, pubs, clubs, restaurants, gyms etc. are all open, no face masks, no social distancing.

They have opened up some air routes with certain isolation restrictions in place. We are very very lucky that we are small and have a population that accepted the restrictions and abided by the rules. I will expect we will have to go into a third lockdown at some point because like this latest occasion, some selfish, undisciplined self centered moron could not abide by the rules that were in place.

My point is this, if one person can cause islands with populations of 62,000 (Guernsey) and 84,000 (Isle of Man) to have a spread of this virus imagine the effect on the larger scale, UK, France etc, when so many fail to follow the government guidelines.

Anyone who believes that all the worlds governments are colluding to suppress the people are delusional. Globally governments can’t agree on the shape of vegetables.