Didn’t SD learn anything from the first game we played?

[army88]

[QUOTE=Norder;39752841]Exactly BT...it was more our deficiency than his plenty.....also witnessed at their end, same as Southampton, just hoik the ball into the box and hope, and we did the same today, plenty of possession, but were even less of a threat when we were down, there's no plan B...we're now obvious, even times when we had the option to do something different, we'd revert to the weaker option...was pitiful.




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Agree with most of that , we are naive again I’m afraid and I’ve posted many times we’re too nice,

The game reminded me of a Leeds game a few season back when Howson drove his bus through the middle of the park and scored , why don’t we wooden him early go and meet him and welcome him to the game.

We are one dimensional continuing with the same balls and tactics time and again.


I felt for Mcneil Today he’s creative but we have no creative player to play with him and other teams know that so
We’re back to playing balls to wood who was in effectual today apart form setting up the goal didn’t really win many duals with centre backs.

I think Dyche will leave tbh as I don’t think the yanks will back us financially and that will be enough to make his mind up, let’s see if he can manage to keep us up so at least we get the money for another year before the inevitable happens
I wouldn’t write us off going down this season yet tbh though.

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I felt for Mcneil Today he’s creative but we have no creative player to play with him and other teams know that so
We’re back to playing balls to wood who was in effectual today apart form setting up the goal didn’t really win many duals with centre backs.

somewhere (cant remember exactly) in the last 15 mins of the game - Army....McNeil had the ball, lost a Newcastle player, looks up for the Cross into the box....but doesn't send it in...why ?.....the regular, just cross it, see what happens - but not this time, he'd see about six magpies in a defensive line, with just two Burnley players in amongst them, so, he decides to play the ball back, to centre field. I think then, it went to the other wing where another cross came to nothing.
Anyway, I didn't understand it, what was he thinking, odds of us getting the ball were too slim, players (Wood/Vydra?) weren't "creative" enough to win the ball, he didn't get a good picture of them, so couldn't decide where to place the cross ?....I don't know, but he'd done the work, so unless he was sure of a much better option, cross it into the box and hope for a connection, he'd done it so often, what changed ?

It Just summed up the confusion, when we do have better alternatives, we waste them on the weaker, and when we dont have them, we waste the stronger option we had....which is likely why, the majority of the time it's just hoof and hope....if even our strengths are weak, then the chance of something coming from nowhere, are none the worse.

Helmsman...where art thou ?

[army88]

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somewhere (cant remember exactly) in the last 15 mins of the game - Army....McNeil had the ball, lost a Newcastle player, looks up for the Cross into the box....but doesn't send it in...why ?.....the regular, just cross it, see what happens - but not this time, he'd see about six magpies in a defensive line, with just two Burnley players in amongst them, so, he decides to play the ball back, to centre field. I think then, it went to the other wing where another cross came to nothing.
Anyway, I didn't understand it, what was he thinking, odds of us getting the ball were too slim, players (Wood/Vydra?) weren't "creative" enough to win the ball, he didn't get a good picture of them, so couldn't decide where to place the cross ?....I don't know, but he'd done the work, so unless he was sure of a much better option, cross it into the box and hope for a connection, he'd done it so often, what changed ?

It Just summed up the confusion, when we do have better alternatives, we waste them on the weaker, and when we dont have them, we waste the stronger option we had....which is likely why, the majority of the time it's just hoof and hope....if even our strengths are weak, then the chance of something coming from nowhere, are none the worse.

Helmsman...where art thou ?

I think Norder the days of picking strikers out with a ball are few and far between since trips left , we do a lot of slinging balls into areas / zones and hoping we get someone on the end of them.
Mcneil didn’t deliver in that instant but he tried on many occasions to get a give and go and create space to make a yard to deliver a quality ball.
In his defence Peter’s tried to help him but is a bit numb and lacking in attacking prowess.

Vydra made intelligent runs yesterday but our quality of ball to him wasn’t the best and wood was muscled out of the game ( bar the goal assist that is ).

If I’m honest the obvious is there for all to see, Bruce saw an opportunity to change the game and he did just that , we chose not to address that situation or even react in any way shape or form , we got punished for it.

Saint maxim is a good player but they peed up his back so much on tv I nearly had to turn it off , my point was I listened to talk sport this morning Jamie O hara on Spurs performance and he said on Man Utd they kept the ball for 6 mins in a corner without a challenge.

He said he’d have cleaned one of them out card or no card to stop what they were doing, I still think the same applies to us we just let players go and it can’t be allowed to happen , cynical- maybe ? But when I played that’s what would have happened.

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Mcneil didn’t deliver in that instant but he tried on many occasions to get a give and go and create space to make a yard to deliver a quality ball.

If I’m honest the obvious is there for all to see, Bruce saw an opportunity to change the game and he did just that , we chose not to address that situation or even react in any way shape or form , we got punished for it.
Saint maxim is a good player but they peed up his back so much on tv I nearly had to turn it off , my point was I listened to talk sport this morning Jamie O hara on Spurs performance and he said on Man Utd they kept the ball for 6 mins in a corner without a challenge.
He said he’d have cleaned one of them out card or no card to stop what they were doing, I still think the same applies to us we just let players go and it can’t be allowed to happen , cynical- maybe ? But when I played that’s what would have happened.

he did try, on many occasions - army, I just couldn't understand why in that instant he didn't...all I can think of is, that as so many crosses were wasted, he thought he'd try something else, but then, after doing all the work, and geting himself into a crossing position, doesn't make sense either.

as for Bruce...he had potential on the bench, and put them on, what else could he do, Magpee supporters were calling for it , it not rocket science....but as you say, letting him run the full half without even an attempt at a tackle, was laughable, he isn't Messi ffs...but we were dragging our feet just watching the run...I always remember a quote, I think it was from Ferguson in a post match interview, guy says, something like, "you played well today" the response " not really, just that they were crap"....I loved the honesty, no fake pedestals wanted, or needed.

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he did try, on many occasions - army, I just couldn't understand why in that instant he didn't...all I can think of is, that as so many crosses were wasted, he thought he'd try something else, but then, after doing all the work, and geting himself into a crossing position, doesn't make sense either.

as for Bruce...he had potential on the bench, and put them on, what else could he do, Magpee supporters were calling for it , it not rocket science....but as you say, letting him run the full half without even an attempt at a tackle, was laughable, he isn't Messi ffs...but we were dragging our feet just watching the run...I always remember a quote, I think it was from Ferguson in a post match interview, guy says, something like, "you played well today" the response " not really, just that they were crap"....I loved the honesty, no fake pedestals wanted, or needed.

Just going back to this Norder to further deepen my sorrow , I’ve watched it back ( some of it ) and at times Mcneil has 2 and sometimes 3 players trying to stop him delivering a ball.

This shows the real issue as minimum 2 spare men should mean the extra men we have available have time space to deliver - we simply don’t have another player with the quality to deliver the right ball ( thrown in the box aimlessly) or wood didn’t win any of his duels / battles and had a really poor game.

I know wood got no change from there centre backs , I think the only real headed balls we won in their box were Mee and Tarky at corners.