Sutton Utd

[laddo]

[QUOTE=Davy500;39789683]

I am afraid that you have shown that you don't think but just write everything anti-Ardley.

Lots of criticism about him being too defensive (I agree) but there's no way he can be accused of poor defensive play when we had conceded the least goals this season and the 2nd least last season.

Criticise all you like (you have done enough already!) but the defence wasn't the problem. Only last week there was a thread 'The Rock' about Ellis - who signed him?[/QUOTE


There is so many things i could accuse Ardley of how long is your Arm?
You that obviously does not think, before you write, and just write everything to defend your idol

I said his STYLE of defensive play, because its negative in approach and lets teams come onto us ( proven in key matches , where he had no answer to the high press) most teams in this division with respect are poor outfits, where notts must impose themselves, with a belief to win, from the offset most of Ardleys games against these types of sides were undecided into the closing stages of games, with it possible to swing either way - not good enough

By the time Ardley left i do not think we had let in the least goals, the brief time we did for about a week, all of the clubs apart from about 5 had scored more goals, because of ardleys negative set up, and ideas
So what we had a good defense, at the expense of attacking, winning football

Without doubt our good defense under NA was very much at the expense of attacking football. The majority of the side was setup defensively, the main focus was on the defence and shape.

However you may want to check your Facts Davy regarding how long we had the tightest defence in the league. Only about a week? Are you sure only 5 sides had scored less goals? Promise?

Nobody can seriously deny NA was a defensive conservative manager overall nor can anyone say he didn't create a team with an impressive defensive record.

And above all isn't goal difference more important that goals scored? When NA left the building in the top 7 only Stockport , Torquay and leaders Sutton had a better goal difference than Notts. That's a fact.

Not sure about below 7th but that isn't much of a concern when you are in 6th with games in hand.

[laddo]

The answer as to why sutton won the title, is because they consistently beat poor to mid table teams, something Ardley never did, he could,nt even beat Dover , that won 2 of their 15 matches, let that sink in

I already explained it could have quite easily been us in the Championship today, instead of Coventry. Things could have quite easily turned out well for Hardy

Yeah i always said it was a huge mistake sacking Nolan ( surprisingly a lot of fans wanted him gone- hope they are happy with what they got, and where we are today )
Hindsight is simple, there is no way Hardy, or any of us, at that time, even had thought of relegation
Guess where relegation was born, by Ardley, winning once in his first 12 matches, casting us 8 points from safety , losing the key match against macclesfield,.....
It beggers belief some notts fans were behind this clown - for absolutely no reason, his stats were worse than fullartons, its an absolute disgrace

Reading that, especially Ardley's truly awful start in charge with just 1 win in 12 it sounds like the true turning point was Alan Hardy hand selecting and appointing Neal Ardley as manager!

Unless you instead believe it was the earlier premature sacking of Kevin Nolan, which could easily be argued.

To suggest the turning point was the playoff game against Coventry is a stretch at best, laughable at worse.

[Jampie]

Personally I find it highly amusing when people who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag criticise someone who got a League Two team promoted who were also poorer than us, and then kept them in league one on a shoestring budget. Wonder how he managed that?

I suppose that and getting us into the playoff spots in this league counts for nothing.

Ye men of few ideas...

[PedroTheFisherman66]

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You thought he was having a dig at me didn't you pops..?

[upthemaggies]

Personally I find it highly amusing when people who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag criticise someone who got a League Two team promoted who were also poorer than us, and then kept them in league one on a shoestring budget. Wonder how he managed that?

I suppose that and getting us into the playoff spots in this league counts for nothing.

Ye men of few ideas...

A player going back to his former club to manage is a very different set of circumstances. Ardley failed to do the job he was brought in to do at Notts and then failed to do the job he was kept on to do, not once but twice. If he goes on to make a success of himself elsewhere, it's not going to change what he did here, that is set in stone now.

Anybody still making excuses for his time at Notts is simply trying to rationalise their own failure to spot the bleeding obvious later than just about everybody else.

Digging yourself further into that hole is not going to encourage people to respect your opinion.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

A player going back to his former club to manage is a very different set of circumstances. Ardley failed to do the job he was brought in to do at Notts and then failed to do the job he was kept on to do, not once but twice. If he goes on to make a success of himself elsewhere, it's not going to change what he did here, that is set in stone now.

Anybody still making excuses for his time at Notts is simply trying to rationalise their own failure to spot the bleeding obvious later than just about everybody else.

Digging yourself further into that hole is not going to encourage people to respect your opinion.

Expertly summed up...this all day long..!

[magpie_mania]

A player going back to his former club to manage is a very different set of circumstances. Ardley failed to do the job he was brought in to do at Notts and then failed to do the job he was kept on to do, not once but twice. If he goes on to make a success of himself elsewhere, it's not going to change what he did here, that is set in stone now.

Anybody still making excuses for his time at Notts is simply trying to rationalise their own failure to spot the bleeding obvious later than just about everybody else.

Digging yourself further into that hole is not going to encourage people to respect your opinion.

I don't think he was an idol to anyone.

But some of the comments are simply ridiculous. He is accused on here of having a terrible defence, when the truth is that we didn't. Instead, the point is argued that it was at the expense of goals. No-one is saying it wasn't, that comment was in reply to the awful defence one.

Now look at your post. 'failed to do the job he was kept on to do .... twice'. Not true. He failed (just) once, and whether he would have failed a second time, we will never know. Cue ......'no chance we were going up'. Even if you say that, it doesn't change that your comment is not true.

On to signings ..... posted on here that his loan signings (apart from. Ellis) were awful, yet Calvin Miller is lauded as a superstar! It was said that his permanent signings are useless ..... The very same ones that received standing ovations last week.

Of course, it is absolutely true that he couldn't get them playing, but that is a completely different argument.

Posting things that are opinion as fact won't get people's respect either!

[magpie_mania]

Personally I find it highly amusing when people who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag criticise someone who got a League Two team promoted who were also poorer than us, and then kept them in league one on a shoestring budget. Wonder how he managed that?

I suppose that and getting us into the playoff spots in this league counts for nothing.

Ye men of few ideas...

Golden rule on here applies:

Anything Ardley did right, or games won - lucky.

Keep up!

[laddo]

Personally I find it highly amusing when people who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag criticise someone who got a League Two team promoted who were also poorer than us, and then kept them in league one on a shoestring budget. Wonder how he managed that?

I suppose that and getting us into the playoff spots in this league counts for nothing.

Ye men of few ideas...

I'm told that he only got promoted with Wimbledon because he was lucky, it was the playoff lottery after all he only finished 5th.

[laddo]

A player going back to his former club to manage is a very different set of circumstances. Ardley failed to do the job he was brought in to do at Notts and then failed to do the job he was kept on to do, not once but twice. If he goes on to make a success of himself elsewhere, it's not going to change what he did here, that is set in stone now.

Anybody still making excuses for his time at Notts is simply trying to rationalise their own failure to spot the bleeding obvious later than just about everybody else.

Digging yourself further into that hole is not going to encourage people to respect your opinion.

When viewed in complete isolation then I agree with (almost) every word.

But that's not the real world is it, that's not the whole story. Completely ignoring the impact of all others during NAs tenure is also not going get you taken seriously either.

He's old news, he's gone, he's another Notts manager who failed. Many many managers have also failed at Notts before him, he just joins a long list of failures.

Maybe it has something more to do with the club than all those managers who also failed along with NA.

Regardless it's all Burchnall baby now, and I'm 'All in'#ChooChoo