Sutton Utd

[upthemaggies]

Is this obsession with Ardley (and you can't call it anything else since he gets brought up in Every. Single. Thread.) all about having someone you can blame on the relegation? One name to pin it all on?

We got relegated because we sucked. Notts County were relegated because we played bad football. All three managers and every player we had on the team that season produced poor results. Hardy's softy was a better performer.

Nolan, who I thought was a very promising manager produced poor results.

Kewell, who I think is a very promising manager produced poor results.

Ardley who at the time was a very experienced manager who routinely got better results out of what were supposed to be worse teams... produced poor results.

There was a lot wrong at the club. There's a lot more to it than ITS ALL ARDLEYS FAULT WAAAAHHHH!!!!!11

Letting that season cloud your judgement about the two seasons since is illogical. Understandable perhaps, but it has no basis in logic, no stats to back it up. We were solidly in the playoff spots for the second year running when he was sacked. I'm delighted IB's got the team on a run of good form, and sincerely hope he is a much better manager than Ardley.

But calling Ardley a bad manager... the statistics just don't back it up. You don't like him? I heard you the five-thousandth time. You don't like his tactics? I've heard that too. A lot. He's gone. Feel free to stop bringing him up any time now...

^This waffle s just you performing a series of awkward acrobatics to save face.

he was sacked, We were right, you were wrong.

You can go on and on trying to defend him in an effort to convince yourself that you were right about him all along, but it'll be you that ends up more deluded than you already are, It'll have zero effect on people with a grasp on the reality of the situation.

Unfortunately, we're all still having to live with the consequences of his tenure so he continues to cast a very dark shadow over the place. Hopefully not for much longer. Then we can forget about him, though sadly I suspect the likes of you will want to give him credit for somebody else's success and this **** show will continue.

[laddo]

Still think Sutton are deserved winners and congratulations to them. The best team over an entire season always finishes top.

[Elite_Pie]

So you think this thread is ruined because I don't use, post on or view the now deceased Handbags thread?

Yes, this thread and many others have been ruined because the mod's advice wasn't heeded, not just by you but mainly by you.
Here are four FACTS. They are not opinions or lies, they are cold, hard FACTS:

FACT 1 - the moderator received complaints from some posters saying threads were being ruined by petty arguments. The moderator decided to set up a specific thread for petty arguments, and asked all those involved to take them there so those who were fed up of them didn't have to read them.

FACT 2 - laddo ignored the moderator and said he would never post on the thread.

FACT 3 - laddo claims he only wants to discuss Notts County and football.

FACT 4 - laddo said he enjoys making other posters look silly.

I'm sure you won't dispute anything there, so read it again and think about it.

That's interesting so you aren't keen, but can't stop anyone using them. You have then spent months and months and months asking me to stop using silly nicknames because they were disrespectful. Lost count of the number of times you mentioned it. Yet never asked anyone else using nicknames or even worse plain insults to stop. Not once! Funny that lol. If you can't stop anyone using them then why do it repeatedly in the past?

That'll be a prime example of that rank hypocrisy you are referring too.

Yaaaaawn. I've told you at least a dozen times that the reason I single you out and nobody else is that you claim to be on a 'mission' to improve the board, and nobody else has made that claim. That's why I treat your rank hypocrisy differently to others.

Just what part of that are you still struggling to comprehend?

[Elite_Pie]

There was a lot wrong at the club. There's a lot more to it than ITS ALL ARDLEYS FAULT WAAAAHHHH!!!!!11

Letting that season cloud your judgement about the two seasons since is illogical. Understandable perhaps, but it has no basis in logic, no stats to back it up.

My judgement that Ardley was the wrong manager for us is based on his whole time in charge, from his very first game to his last. From a very early stage, I didn't think he was getting the most from his squad. We played sterile, frightened, safety-first football and wasted much of the attacking talent we had. Forget what the stats say in this case, just look at the way his teams performed.

[magpie_mania]

^This waffle s just you performing a series of awkward acrobatics to save face.

he was sacked, We were right, you were wrong.

You can go on and on trying to defend him in an effort to convince yourself that you were right about him all along, but it'll be you that ends up more deluded than you already are, It'll have zero effect on people with a grasp on the reality of the situation.

Unfortunately, we're all still having to live with the consequences of his tenure so he continues to cast a very dark shadow over the place. Hopefully not for much longer. Then we can forget about him, though sadly I suspect the likes of you will want to give him credit for somebody else's success and this **** show will continue.

When will you realise and admit that the ones who keep bringing Ardley up are those who wanted him out? Others feel a need to defend as you keep posting opinion as facts.

We play really well in a game, but the posts are often 'We wouldn't have done that under Ardley'. Let it go!

It really isn't as polarised as you try to make out - either you are pro-Ardley and worship the ground he walks on, or anti- Ardley and he's to blame for everything wrong with the world. Just not true for me. I admit that he hadn't got it right at the end and that the football had become poor but last season, surely you can't argue against the fact we were 2nd highest scorers last season.

I also admit, with the benefit of hindsight, that replacing him was the right thing to do. However, what I am not is a hypocrite who gets behind him then when he has gone says he is the world's worst and I always wanted him gone.

You might think you have a grasp of the situation but your comment is revealing 'We were right, you were wrong' and previously calling other posters losers. We used to do that in the playground!

[countygump]

Is this obsession with Ardley (and you can't call it anything else since he gets brought up in Every. Single. Thread.) all about having someone you can blame on the relegation? One name to pin it all on?

We got relegated because we sucked. Notts County were relegated because we played bad football. All three managers and every player we had on the team that season produced poor results. Hardy's softy was a better performer.

Nolan, who I thought was a very promising manager produced poor results.

Kewell, who I think is a very promising manager produced poor results.

Ardley who at the time was a very experienced manager who routinely got better results out of what were supposed to be worse teams... produced poor results.

There was a lot wrong at the club. There's a lot more to it than ITS ALL ARDLEYS FAULT WAAAAHHHH!!!!!11

Letting that season cloud your judgement about the two seasons since is illogical. Understandable perhaps, but it has no basis in logic, no stats to back it up. We were solidly in the playoff spots for the second year running when he was sacked. I'm delighted IB's got the team on a run of good form, and sincerely hope he is a much better manager than Ardley.

But calling Ardley a bad manager... the statistics just don't back it up. You don't like him? I heard you the five-thousandth time. You don't like his tactics? I've heard that too. A lot. He's gone. Feel free to stop bringing him up any time now...

I certainly didn't call him a 'bad manager'. I simply agreed with UTM that he failed in the job he was employed to do. Not once, not twice, but thrice. I'll leave it to others to make a judgement on his managerial skills.

[magpie_mania]

I certainly didn't call him a 'bad manager'. I simply agreed with UTM that he failed in the job he was employed to do. Not once, not twice, but thrice. I'll leave it to others to make a judgement on his managerial skills.

Saying that he failed three times (including this season) is like an F1 team telling a driver to stop with a few laps left then saying 'Why didn't you win the race?'

I agree he failed twice (although I do think there were mitigating circumstances) but we will never know if it would have been three times.

[bule1]

My judgement that Ardley was the wrong manager for us is based on his whole time in charge, from his very first game to his last. From a very early stage, I didn't think he was getting the most from his squad. We played sterile, frightened, safety-first football and wasted much of the attacking talent we had. Forget what the stats say in this case, just look at the way his teams performed.

Being realistic, last pre season he stayed with us when we were not sure NCFC would still exist. He did build a squad in double quick time that got us to the final, that should not be ignored, so i am still happy with that effort. This season he got us into a playoff place but I don't think it was a convincing performance and I very much doubt we would have been promoted under him. That said I think we have now got the right manager at the right time and if we had got rid earlier we could have ended up with another mediocre replacement. Think the Reedtz brothers probably had IB on radar and made their move when the opportunity arrived, if so that is to their great credit.

[countygump]

Saying that he failed three times (including this season) is like an F1 team telling a driver to stop with a few laps left then saying 'Why didn't you win the race?'

I agree he failed twice (although I do think there were mitigating circumstances) but we will never know if it would have been three times.

The reason he 'failed' the third time is because he got the sack, MM. Even me being the generous soul that I am that would still have to mark that down as a failure IMHAHO. Not being trusted or deemed competent enough to be allowed to finish a season is 'failure' in itself. There are always 'mitigating circumstances', for every manager at almost every club in the lower divisions, especially if you are looking for a nice easy excuse.

[magpie_mania]

The reason he 'failed' the third time is because he got the sack, MM. Even me being the generous soul that I am that would still have to mark that down as a failure IMHAHO. Not being trusted or deemed competent enough to be allowed to finish a season is 'failure' in itself. There are always 'mitigating circumstances', for every manager at almost every club in the lower divisions, especially if you are looking for a nice easy excuse.

Can't agree. You can't fail if you don't get the chance to succeed.

We will never know if he would have failed this season.

I think we probably would have done, but I do think we would made the play-offs sand as has been said, that's a lottery