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Again, I've got no idea why you 'hope' there are boos. I really don't understand that mindset.Originally Posted by baggieal
You are making some small gesture, into something far bigger than it needs be.
I'm really lost on this one. You can't just live with 7 seconds of some players on one knee?
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No! No place in football! I do though feel more should be done to kick out racism whether it be life bans - billboards etc!
Just a personal view 123 and honestly think this message is being diluted and everything they are trying to achieve is going into reverse. The few black players who have stood have expressed the same views!
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The black players have said the message is being lost, not that taking the knee should be boo'd.
If you're in the ground and feel its political, you've got every right to protest - I still don't understand it but you have a right to do it. If you're at home hoping the fans boo, I seriously struggle to understand that even further. I just don't get it.
Billboards, you think that will stop a racist person being racist? I can't see it myself.
Lifetime bans, how does that help? I really don't get why clubs say they will ban racist fans for life. They're effectively saying 'you can't be racist in our football club, but go outside to the community and hold the same views'. How does that help their local community?
Perhaps many people are right in saying that you will never eradicate it. But by far and away the best measure to fight it is with education. Those who are racist shouldn't be punished, they should be pitied and then educated/rehabilitated.
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Starting with the BLM.
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I get all your points 123 but many have said the taking the knee is taking tolerance/harmony/racial injustice in reverse and not improving it. I would tend to agree and you have seen the feeling out there! All those who boo/object are neither racist or ignorant. I have a black mate who evens thinks it's becoming a complete joke!
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The classic "I've got a black mate". 😂😂. How do you know ALL those who boo are neither racist or ignorant? You don't speak for everyone, just like your black mate doesn't speak for every black person.
What I'm starting to understand is that the people on here moaning about the taking of the knee saying its taking the cause backwards and it'd not doing anything for racial injustice, are also the ones bemoaning immigration. What are you lads doing for racial justice then? Other than justifying the murder of black people by police in another thread and booing footballers for kneeling down. If you believe in racial justice, what are you doing for it? I don't see any evidence you're making a positive difference right about now, you're just moaning.
Honestly, it's all so pathetic, you're whinging about stuff that doesn't affect you and has no negative impact on the society you live in whatsoever. So the question is, how have BLM or the taking of the knee actually affected you as an individual? Has it affected your wages? Your freedom to express yourself? Changed the government in power? Caused a war? Made you less safe? Taken food out of your kids mouths?
The answer of course is no. So what the bloody hell are whining for?
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There's no place for politics in football, as I keep hearing. You advocate the singing of the national anthem before every sporting event. You can't get much more political than that. Have you argued against the betting companies' proliferation of the game inside and outside the stadium? How's about the World Cup bids? Or the Qatar World Cup and its treatment of workers? Have you? Please do tell. Politics and sport and hand in glove.
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My God - another person who has the last word or can't stand a view that opposes their own! Many people don't have to voice an opinion - they vote with their feet and in this case it's with boos! I respect both views but for me the message is getting lost and if anything, it's causing resentment.
Perhaps, if I had a black wife or mother, I might feel like you but I don't! Meghan Markle is the classic who whinges on television about race but she looks like a beautiful white girl or perhaps could be mistaken for Latino at best!
As another poster has said - what's your agenda?
PS - have you checked your facts on ISIL when you resorted to childish remarks saying they were born out of the Iraq War even though they originated four years earlier
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Whoa there Einstein, allow me to address each point, if you can call them points, it's mostly a mish mash of ill-conceived drivel that doesn't really go anywhere or even answer any of my previous questions. So, taking your last point, I suppose what you did after ISIS-gate was to Google them retrospectively. Given you offered no academic knowledge of any subject during our exchanges, it was rather odd that you suddenly announced when ISIS were formed. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope your buffoonery was a charade, but that would be giving you too much credit. Lets just accept it, you had to Google it after the event and have now clung onto it, despite everything else I've written, every other question I've asked you, particularly in regards to how your life has been adversely affected, which you've ignored for some reason, you'll see that in our exchanges, I don't think there's anything I haven't addressed in response (I might be wrong so feel free to repeat any other points you'd like me to address and correct you on), you however, mindlessy gloss over everything and repeat the same cliches, most probably drawn from The Sun, Daily Mail or some equally emotionally illiterate pals down the pub/match etc.............. On the other hand, Kudos for going out and doing some research for once because you'd shown absolutely no evidence of it previously, at least you're trying to educate yourself, but as for that specific subject, I suppose it depends on where you get the information from....here's a link you might find useful https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...arqawi/577030/
We can always agree to disagree on ISIS I suppose.
As for me, yes I have a black wife and we have kids, I don't have a black mother though, I did say I was white. Being in a multiracial relationship has exposed me to certain issues the black community can face, more acutely than others perhaps who live in somewhere like Kettering lets say, where there aren't many black people, and as I stated in a previous post, I've seen people treated horrifically by the police, the judicial system, in schools and on the street. That's why I'm saying there's an issue but you and others simply gloss over it and bleat the same garbage. I can only assume it's because you don't want to acknowledge what I'm saying or can't offer an equally specific opposing view.....everything is just generalised, i.e. ''BLM are racist and anti-white''. Well they're not and I've explained why, but you ignore it. Or if I ask how BLM or taking the knee is causing an adverse affect on your lives, there is no response. I wonder why that is? Probably because you can't answer it. BLM and taking the knee aren't affecting your life, you just want to whinge. And before anyone even thinks about moaning about 'the left'.......as I've stated over and again, we live under the most comfortable Tory government in decades. There is no threat from the left. If Boris and his cronies can get away with all they have done so far, then there is no threat from the left. Corbyn was disposed of, Starmer is doing, well I don't know what Starmer is doing but he's hardly Castro.
As for my 'agenda', what the frig has it got to do with you? Do I need to announce myself as being here to challenge all and sundry? I'm here to comment, just like you, if we oppose each other, we oppose each other, a forum isn't meant to be an echo chamber of the same guff, it's a platform to exchange opinions, unfortunately in this case, you don't have any rooted in reasoned thought. Do you wish to preserve this forum so only for people who think like you can enter? It's not like I'm an Asian kid walking into The Lagoon circa 1990. Then again......
Re: Meghan Markle, I'm not sure what the point your trying to make is. ''She whinges about race but looks like a beautiful white woman''. Help me out here, are you saying she doesn't face racism as her skin is lighter? I'm genuinely bemused by that, I don't know what you're getting at. IF that's the point you're making, aren't you aware mixed race people suffer racism too? If it's not the point you're trying to make, well can you be a bit clearer please? If it IS the point you're making, you're implying people with light skin don't face racism..... but hang on I thought BLM were anti-white? You see where I'm going with that don't you? Anyway, a bit of clarity on that point would help thank you.
So anyway, I'll ask again, are you able to tell me (without lying) how BLM or taking the knee is having a negative influence on your life or the society we live in? And once again, is it stopping you from earning a wage? Has it taken food from your kids mouths? Has it started a war? Has it changed the government of the day? Has made you or any of us suffer in any way? Why does the prospect of people trying to enact change to bring justice or equality, cause you so much distress?
I'm honestly not expecting a meaningful response, probably just some rehashed hyperbole. Oh and finally, just to use your own logic against you, you stated................''another person who has the last word or can't stand a view that opposes their own! Many people don't have to voice an opinion - they vote with their feet and in this case it's with boos! I respect both views but for me the message is getting lost and if anything, it's causing resentment''..........the very point of discussion is to engage with each other, therefore SOMEONE will have the last word won't they? If I'd not responded to you, then YOU would have had the last word, so then YOU'D be the guilty party of having it. Understand? If I had the same opinion as you, and I commented last, would you have said the same thing then? Of course not.
As for causing resentment, resentment about WHAT? You're the one having those feelings, the people feeling resentment are causing the resentment. That's utterly barmy.....''You're making people angry, I don't know why, but I'm becoming angry that you're making people angry'', is the gist of it.
So yeah, answers to my questions would be gladly received, instead of the continual ignoring of them.
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”The classic "I've got a black mate".”
As the classic ”I’ve got a black wife” or ”I have met or know some people in the BLM”… 😎
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