Most respecteds yellow vests

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I totally agree with about the SNP politicians who only look after themselves and complain about everything else. I would not trust them as far as I could throw them.
Sadly there are a lot of people in Scotland who have been brainwashed by them and think that the SNP politicians are wonderful.
They will eventually be in for a shock.

How would you feel about the same people if they were being just as self serving and doing the same spinning and lying but they were Tory politicians instead of SNP?

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How would you feel about the same people if they were being just as self serving and doing the same spinning and lying but they were Tory politicians instead of SNP?

Great point. They are all as bad as each other for exhibiting that kind of behaviour. SNP, for me, do not seem to be able to get their economic framework for independence right. Currency, in Eurozone, border with England etc. If they wait a bit the situation in N Ireland might show how to resolve the land border problem but it might take a while.

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Apologies for off topic post above. Yellow vests need to be helped to do their job by turning their focus towards customer service rather than customer control. Helping families to sit together, helping groups of fans who are happy to sit together, creating areas of the ground where those who need or want to be socially isolated can sit would give them a positive role.

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Apologies for off topic post above. Yellow vests need to be helped to do their job by turning their focus towards customer service rather than customer control. Helping families to sit together, helping groups of fans who are happy to sit together, creating areas of the ground where those who need or want to be socially isolated can sit would give them a positive role.

Therein lies the dilemma - are they there to manage and assist customers or are they there to control disobedient crowds?

From what I'm reading (I haven't been to Dens this season) they seem to either have been given, or are interpreting their instructions as, a mandate to exercise control. People cannot be controlled in any free society and will always push back against it.

This is not North Korea.

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Therein lies the dilemma - are they there to manage and assist customers or are they there to control disobedient crowds?

From what I'm reading (I haven't been to Dens this season) they seem to either have been given, or are interpreting their instructions as, a mandate to exercise control. People cannot be controlled in any free society and will always push back against it.

This is not North Korea.

Just trying to be helpful would make a big difference. Club could maybe help them by giving them and the supporters who attend some specific guidance. Trouble must be caused by each ticket being for a specific seat? socially distanced seating could and probably should be controlled at the time of sale of the ticket. Can't see how that could have been done when the ST's were initially put on sale, so is there a retrofix that could be applied? Obviously all clubs will have the same issues so it might be quite simple for the government to back out and say football grounds are exempt and let the fans take responsibility for discussing with their club how and where they sit. If you didn't have away fans then surely everyone who wanted to go to Dens could sit with whatever grouping they felt comfotable with. double jabbed old moaners could have a rare old time together, youngsters with their Mums and Dads and uncles and aunts and cousins could sit in familygroups and those who want socially distanced seating could be accomodated somewhere in the Mainer. youngsters could have the Derry to bring it back to life. It does need some flexibility and willingness to agree to change.
I am not sure that the love of Dundee FC is the greater good for some supporters who might see freedom and principle more important - but you don't know until you explore possibilities.

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Just trying to be helpful would make a big difference. Club could maybe help them by giving them and the supporters who attend some specific guidance. Trouble must be caused by each ticket being for a specific seat? socially distanced seating could and probably should be controlled at the time of sale of the ticket. Can't see how that could have been done when the ST's were initially put on sale, so is there a retrofix that could be applied? Obviously all clubs will have the same issues so it might be quite simple for the government to back out and say football grounds are exempt and let the fans take responsibility for discussing with their club how and where they sit. If you didn't have away fans then surely everyone who wanted to go to Dens could sit with whatever grouping they felt comfotable with. double jabbed old moaners could have a rare old time together, youngsters with their Mums and Dads and uncles and aunts and cousins could sit in familygroups and those who want socially distanced seating could be accomodated somewhere in the Mainer. youngsters could have the Derry to bring it back to life. It does need some flexibility and willingness to agree to change.
I am not sure that the love of Dundee FC is the greater good for some supporters who might see freedom and principle more important - but you don't know until you explore possibilities.

I am surprised that the representatives of the DSA have not spoken to the club about the current over zealous stewarding at Dens Park.

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How would you feel about the same people if they were being just as self serving and doing the same spinning and lying but they were Tory politicians instead of SNP?

Tory politicians in Scotland do not spin and lie like the SNP politicians.

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Tory politicians in Scotland do not spin and lie like the SNP politicians.

I am sorry Islay but I disagree with this comment. They will not spin or lie like SNP politicians, they do it like all politicians.