O/T to cheer Grist up

[ragingpup]

In fairness 'they' have been pretty active lately. Here are some examples:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette...h=727e8626cc00

This sort of thing makes me realise just how out of touch I am. I always thought that I was pretty liberal sort of person and I have done my time in the trenches against discrimination in both a personal and professional capacity. Now I realise that I am just an old bigot that intersectionalism passed by.

Personally, I don't care if Anne Boleyn is played by a black actress. The only downside that I can see is that it might confuse school kids. If a person's colour is integral to a story - say a film about Nelson Mandela or Nathan Bedford Forrest then of course the colour of the actor is important, but otherwise surely it's the only the performance that should matter?

Again, I know my post will have some posters shaking their head about how wrong I am, but for me this sort of thing trivialises the issue of discrimination and will ultimately make it harder to address that issue.

Reading your link Kerr I'm struggling to see how you relate the quotes from the showbiz people to the playing of a historical role by a black actress. the majority of these quotes are simply white actors saying that they feel that they shouldn't be doing voice overs for animated black characters as there are plenty of black actors that need that work also. I can't see the controversy in that. I would see controversy and nonsense in people saying that accented roles should only be played by authentic people with those accents - but I can't see any evidence of that being argued by anyone? No doubt some extreme idiot might argue that but to conflate accents with skin colour and the points made in this link is stretching the point to confect outrage from the usual culture war zealots.

[KerrAvon]

Reading your link Kerr I'm struggling to see how you relate the quotes from the showbiz people to the playing of a historical role by a black actress. the majority of these quotes are simply white actors saying that they feel that they shouldn't be doing voice overs for animated black characters as there are plenty of black actors that need that work also. I can't see the controversy in that. I would see controversy and nonsense in people saying that accented roles should only be played by authentic people with those accents - but I can't see any evidence of that being argued by anyone? No doubt some extreme idiot might argue that but to conflate accents with skin colour and the points made in this link is stretching the point to confect outrage from the usual culture war zealots.

Can you point out where the article says that the decisions touched upon were made 'as there are plenty of black actors that need the work also'? I can see where an actress is concerned about 'engaging in an act of erasure of Black people' and one who believes in a monopoly where 'people of color should always voice people of color', but can't see where you got your interpretation.

The reference to the Boleyn film goes back to the comment made by Grist earlier in the thread. If it is authenticity that we seek (as per Kristen Bell's 'more accurate portrayal') then surely the use of a black actress for the part is far 'worse' than the use of white people to voice black characters? I had no idea that Cleveland Brown was voiced by a white person until the Forbes article told me. The historical discrepancy in the Boleyn film will be obvious to all but blind people.

I'm almost proud to say that I had given absolutely no thought to the colour of the person voicing Cleveland Brown for the simple reason that it it doesn't matter.

As I have said, I care not whether Boleyn is played by a black actress. The sign of a good performance is that the audience would quickly not notice such an irrelevance.

I am unsurprised that you can't see the controversy in the Forbes article (particularly in light of the interpretation that you have applied to it) but the danger for people who oppose discrimination in the nonsense that it touches upon is that it plays right into the hands of people who argue that ''they' want special treatment at our expense'. And it is an argument that can resonate, gain purchase and harden attitudes.

It isn't just in respect of racial discrimination where the 'woke' (for want of a better term) are damaging their own cause:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/h...lm-1234699605/

Maybe you will interperet that article as Berry stepping down because there are 'plenty of trans actors that neeed the work also'. I see it as someone who has been put under pressure to give up some work that she had obtained (although she did make it easier by wandering into a 'misgendering' minefield).

I note your reference to culture wars. That expression is the new 'racist' - the latest label from the Left to try to shut down arguments that they don't like. The truth is the Left have been fighting culture wars for the last fif**** years or so - to the point where it is just about all that Labour does (something that the 'red wall' voters have noticed). The left are now raging (see what I did there) about the right stepping on their territory (in every sense) and seizing the agenda that they have driven.

[rolymiller]

Can you point out where the article says that the decisions touched upon were made 'as there are plenty of black actors that need the work also'? I can see where an actress is concerned about 'engaging in an act of erasure of Black people' and one who believes in a monopoly where 'people of color should always voice people of color', but can't see where you got your interpretation.

The reference to the Boleyn film goes back to the comment made by Grist earlier in the thread. If it is authenticity that we seek (as per Kristen Bell's 'more accurate portrayal') then surely the use of a black actress for the part is far 'worse' than the use of white people to voice black characters? I had no idea that Cleveland Brown was voiced by a white person until the Forbes article told me. The historical discrepancy in the Boleyn film will be obvious to all but blind people.

I'm almost proud to say that I had given absolutely no thought to the colour of the person voicing Cleveland Brown for the simple reason that it it doesn't matter.

As I have said, I care not whether Boleyn is played by a black actress. The sign of a good performance is that the audience would quickly not notice such an irrelevance.

I am unsurprised that you can't see the controversy in the Forbes article (particularly in light of the interpretation that you have applied to it) but the danger for people who oppose discrimination in the nonsense that it touches upon is that it plays right into the hands of people who argue that ''they' want special treatment at our expense'. And it is an argument that can resonate, gain purchase and harden attitudes.

It isn't just in respect of racial discrimination where the 'woke' (for want of a better term) are damaging their own cause:

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/h...lm-1234699605/

Maybe you will interperet that article as Berry stepping down because there are 'plenty of trans actors that neeed the work also'. I see it as someone who has been put under pressure to give up some work that she had obtained (although she did make it easier by wandering into a 'misgendering' minefield).

I note your reference to culture wars. That expression is the new 'racist' - the latest label from the Left to try to shut down arguments that they don't like. The truth is the Left have been fighting culture wars for the last fif**** years or so - to the point where it is just about all that Labour does (something that the 'red wall' voters have noticed). The left are now raging (see what I did there) about the right stepping on their territory (in every sense) and seizing the agenda that they have driven.

Come again...?

[KerrAvon]

Come again...?

Don't worry about it, Roly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

[howdydoo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2gpRTcJh8

[rolymiller]

Don't worry about it, Roly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

Not that I don't understand you Kerr just a bit deaf...

[South Coast Miller]

The nob heads are now trying to stop people impersonating accents.
So no actors can act as an American, unless they are.
Impersonators , not allowed. Telling jokes with a false accent. a no no.
What the fk is going on?

And no Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins!!!!

[CAMiller]

And no Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins!!!!

A double whammy with an offensive accent and an offensive name

[wendun]

You can't win with these guys. Now, in the USA, they are protesting about "colorism." Apparently a popular TV series that had six main female characters all played by white actresses has been remade with three of the six now black. Great you might think. But no, now the zealots are saying the black actresses are "too pale" and that "colorism" is rife in film and TV. Well, Anne Boleyn looked pretty dark to me.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

You can't win with these guys. Now, in the USA, they are protesting about "colorism." Apparently a popular TV series that had six main female characters all played by white actresses has been remade with three of the six now black. Great you might think. But no, now the zealots are saying the black actresses are "too pale" and that "colorism" is rife in film and TV. Well, Anne Boleyn looked pretty dark to me.

Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston were two that tried to go paler