Is recruitment likely to drive ground improvement

[pass_and_move]

At least with Cryne and Beane you'd have the continuation of the present model Pass and minus the unsavoury Conway .

Conway seems at least in my opinion the runt in the litter and the cause of so much friction around the club .

I agree it's highly unlikely the club will ever be locally owned again and so that very fact has to be accepted .

The cynic inside me fears that although some may rejoice in the departure of Conway, it doesn't necessarily mean summat better is around the corner.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

The cynic inside me fears that although some may rejoice in the departure of Conway, it doesn't necessarily mean summat better is around the corner.

I agree there Pass. We've got to be very careful what we wish for otherwise SB could end up copying and pasting his previous posts replacing PMG with XYZ...

[animallittle3]

I agree entirely that you do indeed have to be careful what you wish for .

You only have to look at the current state of Arsenal since Wenger was hounded out by the fans for proof of that .

However I think it's fair to say the consortium are looking to leave because I've never known ESR not be right when he's revealed things on the forum .

What's more they haven't been hounded out they are selling the club and that's their decision alone .

The ownership of the stadium and surrounding land appears to be the catalyst for this decision and clearly that was central to their plans .

It looks like they've accepted the fact they won't ever own the job lot 100% .

I do also believe leaving the European Union is a factor because it's now more difficult to do business in the EU and is a key market for them here with player recruitment .

They can trade to their hearts content with the other clubs they own within the EU and there's some kind of strategy that links this multi club philosophy that possibly doesn't quite fit here post brexit .

I take the point Pass made about ourselves sitting one league away from the richest on the planet and a key to increasing the clubs value for the consortium .

I don't personally believe myself that is the reason they bought the club although I wouldn't think they'd turn their noses up either , if it happened fine if it doesn't then so what .

There was something I heard but I can't for the life remember where I heard it but I know it was Dane Murphy who said it , may have been a podcast I heard .

He said that the consortium believe the tv deals will increase massively in the years to come which will make all their clubs especially ours more valuable so just as long as they are run under a self sufficiency system they consortium could be looking at profits of several millions of pounds without doing anything financially themselves .

Whether that happens is debatable of course .

[SBRed48]

I agree there Pass. We've got to be very careful what we wish for otherwise SB could end up copying and pasting his previous posts replacing PMG with XYZ...

Unlikely as my IT skills don't stretch to copy and paste.
I agree with Animal that gaining full control of the Oakwell stadium and surrounding land with "clean title" ie with no hinderences to stop them doing what they wish, is the key issue. Luckily they haven't achieved that so take your profits and go Conway

Get Rid of Conway and-- BUILD BACK BETTER !

(That annoying little Thakur has gone on 60 but India are ovva 300 ahead )

[pass_and_move]

(That annoying little Thakur has gone on 60 but India are ovva 300 ahead )

Thuz abart as much chance o Conway leaving as England ev o winning this test match.

[animallittle3]

Unfortunately the money men now have full and total control of the " People's Game " and they are extremely unlikely to relinquish it anytime soon .

I say unfortunately but there are a number of good extremely wealthy owners who have transformed the clubs they own successfully .

Kingpower at Leicester City are probably the pick and they have invested in the city as well as the club .

Until these people come through the door you don't know for sure what you are getting .

As fans we are powerless if things turn ugly and I feel that's probably what fuels fans frustrations .

Back in the day the chairman and directors were accountable to the shareholders and could be removed at election time .

No such luck today I'm afraid and those old models of ownership are rare today especially in the top two divisions .

The reason we have the models we do today with often ownership from overseas is simply down to the money that's come in to the game since the formation of the PL with the opportunity for publicity and glamour too I might add .

There's definitely a case to be made for a regulatory body in football today and not just for the fans concerns some of these owners need saving from themselves including that idiot down the road at S6 .

[Young_Nudger]

The cynic inside me fears that although some may rejoice in the departure of Conway, it doesn't necessarily mean summat better is around the corner.

I don’t think what you are saying is being cynical - it’s more like you are being a realist.

I’m honestly flabbergasted at what our supporters want.
Because on the face of it they want someone from Barnsley that’s similar to Patrick, a supporter who is willing to invest - but that person has to be worth £££Billions.
It ain’t gunna happen.

As far as I’m concerned I’m not bothered one bit that these owners are not Barnsley fans.
Which owners of clubs in the Championship are fans of the club they own?
All I’m bothered about is that we have owners that take the club forward.
And they are doing that brilliantly.
As a good example of this - they haven’t sold players - and during this transfer window they are only one of a handful of Championship clubs that’s actually spent money bringing players in.
What more can we ask for !?!?!

[Arblasterfromthepast]

I agree entirely that you do indeed have to be careful what you wish for .

You only have to look at the current state of Arsenal since Wenger was hounded out by the fans for proof of that .

However I think it's fair to say the consortium are looking to leave because I've never known ESR not be right when he's revealed things on the forum .

What's more they haven't been hounded out they are selling the club and that's their decision alone .

The ownership of the stadium and surrounding land appears to be the catalyst for this decision and clearly that was central to their plans .

It looks like they've accepted the fact they won't ever own the job lot 100% .

I do also believe leaving the European Union is a factor because it's now more difficult to do business in the EU and is a key market for them here with player recruitment .

They can trade to their hearts content with the other clubs they own within the EU and there's some kind of strategy that links this multi club philosophy that possibly doesn't quite fit here post brexit .

I take the point Pass made about ourselves sitting one league away from the richest on the planet and a key to increasing the clubs value for the consortium .

I don't personally believe myself that is the reason they bought the club although I wouldn't think they'd turn their noses up either , if it happened fine if it doesn't then so what .

There was something I heard but I can't for the life remember where I heard it but I know it was Dane Murphy who said it , may have been a podcast I heard .

He said that the consortium believe the tv deals will increase massively in the years to come which will make all their clubs especially ours more valuable so just as long as they are run under a self sufficiency system they consortium could be looking at profits of several millions of pounds without doing anything financially themselves .

Whether that happens is debatable of course .

I don't believe in journalists that can't copy and paste SB :-)

Very good examples are Arsenal and Leicester Animal. The best examples of how and how not to do it.

I don't know why PMG bought Barnsley FC. It has something to do with a plan within European football but the nature of the plan still isn't clear to me. I'm not sure that Brexit makes a difference to that plan Yes it's more difficult to bring EU footballers into the club but not impossible. If they do want to make money, then a team in the EFL/Premier league is the way to do it; not in some less well known European league (and yes I know that they made some cash on the French club that they sold but there aren't that many Ineos Jim's about).

I have no reason to doubt what ESR says either because I've noticed over time he is a very reliable source of information.

I hear what people say about the owners buying Barnsley/Oakwell because of the land (and yes SB I know they are reported not to have bought either yet). However, I don't see PMG buying Barnsley FC purely because of the land around Oakwell. They're a sports group not developers. Sport is their business. Before they bought Barnsley, I believe that they were considering buying other clubs including Middlesbrough. I'm not aware, in Middlesbrough's case, whether they have land available for development; I suspect they haven't because the Riverside is a relatively new stadium. I'm sure the reason that they didn't buy Middlesbrough had nothing to do with the lack of availability of land for development.

If they go, they go having moved us forward from where we were when they bought us. I'm not really sure who would want to buy us though because in the current financial climate, any would be investors, probably have the chance to buy a number of other clubs at bargain prices. Is a new owner going to be better? It's down to pot luck in my view and as you say, there's no way the fans can influence that.

Understanding why they bought Barnsley FC is the key to understanding what may happen next. Unfortunately, I've not seen or heard or understood why they did buy Barnsley and we're almost 4 years? into the tenure.

[animallittle3]

I’m honestly flabbergasted at what our supporters want.
Because on the face of it they want someone from Barnsley that’s similar to Patrick, a supporter who is willing to invest - but that person has to be worth £££Billions.
It ain’t gunna happen.

Not sure I've read anybody suggesting that Nudge .


Well let's drill down in to impact the ownership have had on the club .

1 , No significant rise in income streams , the club still shops in the bargain bucket market .

2 , No breaking of the clubs record transfer either bought or sold .

3 , No improvements made to the stadium .

4 , No improvements in the match day experience .

5 , The last two HC's had a successful stint and both did one to the first job they were offered , nothing here that convinced them bigger things were on the horizon .

6 , The value of the club is unlikely to have risen under the consortium .

If it wasn't for Covid the club would have in all reality have been relegated from the championship in 2020 .

It's unlikely too that a fifth place finish would have been achieved in any other season than the last one .

[Arblasterfromthepast]

I agree entirely that you do indeed have to be careful what you wish for .

You only have to look at the current state of Arsenal since Wenger was hounded out by the fans for proof of that .

However I think it's fair to say the consortium are looking to leave because I've never known ESR not be right when he's revealed things on the forum .

What's more they haven't been hounded out they are selling the club and that's their decision alone .

The ownership of the stadium and surrounding land appears to be the catalyst for this decision and clearly that was central to their plans .

It looks like they've accepted the fact they won't ever own the job lot 100% .

I do also believe leaving the European Union is a factor because it's now more difficult to do business in the EU and is a key market for them here with player recruitment .

They can trade to their hearts content with the other clubs they own within the EU and there's some kind of strategy that links this multi club philosophy that possibly doesn't quite fit here post brexit .

I take the point Pass made about ourselves sitting one league away from the richest on the planet and a key to increasing the clubs value for the consortium .

I don't personally believe myself that is the reason they bought the club although I wouldn't think they'd turn their noses up either , if it happened fine if it doesn't then so what .

There was something I heard but I can't for the life remember where I heard it but I know it was Dane Murphy who said it , may have been a podcast I heard .

He said that the consortium believe the tv deals will increase massively in the years to come which will make all their clubs especially ours more valuable so just as long as they are run under a self sufficiency system they consortium could be looking at profits of several millions of pounds without doing anything financially themselves .

Whether that happens is debatable of course .

I don't believe in journalists that can't copy and paste SB :-)

Very good examples are Arsenal and Leicester Animal. The best examples of how and how not to do it.

I don't know why PMG bought Barnsley FC. It has something to do with a plan within European football but the nature of the plan still isn't clear to me. I'm not sure that Brexit makes a difference to that plan Yes it's more difficult to bring EU footballers into the club but not impossible. If they do want to make money, then a team in the EFL/Premier league is the way to do it; not in some less well known European league (and yes I know that they made some cash on the French club that they sold but there aren't that many Ineos Jim's about).

I have no reason to doubt what ESR says either because I've noticed over time he is a very reliable source of information.

I hear what people say about the owners buying Barnsley/Oakwell because of the land (and yes SB I know they are reported not to have bought either yet). However, I don't see PMG buying Barnsley FC purely because of the land around Oakwell. They're a sports group not developers. Sport is their business. Before they bought Barnsley, I believe that they were considering buying other clubs including Middlesbrough. I'm not aware, in Middlesbrough's case, whether they have land available for development; I suspect they haven't because the Riverside is a relatively new stadium. I'm sure the reason that they didn't buy Middlesbrough had nothing to do with the lack of availability of land for development.

If they go, they go having moved us forward from where we were when they bought us. I'm not really sure who would want to buy us though because in the current financial climate, any would be investors, probably have the chance to buy a number of other clubs at bargain prices. Is a new owner going to be better? It's down to pot luck in my view and as you say, there's no way the fans can influence that.

Understanding why they bought Barnsley FC is the key to understanding what may happen next. Unfortunately, I've not seen or heard or understood why they did buy Barnsley and we're almost 4 years? into the tenure.