OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

My apologies for introducing an issue that you had not previously raised. Wont happen again

I’m sure you can introduce whatever you like, GP...just don’t tell me how I’m likely to react to something I’ve said nothing at all about.

[swaledale]

I'm not sure if you missed my point deliberately or not but unless those who think as you do can provide clearer evidence to the population any idea of returning to EU is dead in the water.

One thing I asked a few pages ago and no-one picked upon was whether our respective opinions (on this forum) are coloured by the fact that we are relatively sheilded from the impact of Brexit - Lord Swale of The Dale has made the point about 'the idiots who voted for it will be most impacted by it' and I guess by that he equates idiots with the less well-heeled (I'll tell my life-saving nursing friends that one), maybe he has a point and we are collectively too far from the pain to know how good/bad things are

Oh no not just the less well heeled, there are plenty of well off gammons in the over 55 bracket who will (they will deny it obvs) who will be impacted by Brexit.

The impact may vary from more paperwork and cost to go on holiday, higher prices for work done on ones home, higher prices for food, even perhaps as they approach their dotage a shortage of people willing to wipe their arses for a minimum wage, certainly a shortage of dr's nurses, dentists.

The trouble is that their collective memories will be so short that they will just think this is the new normal.

Mind you its interesting nobody is yet asking why if Brexit has released £350 million per week for the NHS, its necessary to raise national Insurance to pay for the backlog, surely pandemic or no pandemic that brexit bonus would do the job!!!

I really must get back to a few acquaintances, who I would say are in average earning territory and ask them if they are so happy with Brexit now - well I would but I don't speak to the ****s much these days!

[MadAmster]

Oh no not just the less well heeled, there are plenty of well off gammons in the over 55 bracket who will (they will deny it obvs) who will be impacted by Brexit.

The impact may vary from more paperwork and cost to go on holiday, higher prices for work done on ones home, higher prices for food, even perhaps as they approach their dotage a shortage of people willing to wipe their arses for a minimum wage, certainly a shortage of dr's nurses, dentists.

The trouble is that their collective memories will be so short that they will just think this is the new normal.

Mind you its interesting nobody is yet asking why if Brexit has released £350 million per week for the NHS, its necessary to raise national Insurance to pay for the backlog, surely pandemic or no pandemic that brexit bonus would do the job!!!

I really must get back to a few acquaintances, who I would say are in average earning territory and ask them if they are so happy with Brexit now - well I would but I don't speak to the ****s much these days!

You really must get out more Swale. That bus slogan was an example, not a promise. Covid has put the kybosh on that even if it had been a promise. Billions spaffed up the wall on the test and trace app that never worked, billions more on PPE that either never appeared or, when it did, was unfit for use. Millions more to the Tory Grayling for his I've got no ferries company.......

Basically, the NIC increase is something that could have been done with a far lower increase, if every cabinet from the past 60 years had had the common sense to do what just about everybody knew was coming, make provision for when the baby boomers all hit pensionable age and the problems that would cause. They never did because they knew it would lead to them losing seats. All looking after themselves rather than the country.

[Andy_Faber]

Basically, the NIC increase is something that could have been done with a far lower increase, if every cabinet from the past 60 years had had the common sense to do what just about everybody knew was coming, make provision for when the baby boomers all hit pensionable age and the problems that would cause. They never did because they knew it would lead to them losing seats. All looking after themselves rather than the country.

A non-partisan (I think, you never know round here!) comment that I totally agree with

[Andy_Faber]

gammons

You really need to catch up Swale, I think even the Snowflakes have stopped using that phrase now, it just hasn't caught on, its use is so marginal I can't even be bothered with calling you out for racial slurring any more

[Trickytreesreds]

You really need to catch up Swale, I think even the Snowflakes have stopped using that phrase now, it just hasn't caught on, its use is so marginal I can't even be bothered with calling you out for racial slurring any more

Stop that now. Everyone else is a racist in Swales head. He and his comments would never stretch to such boundaries. You are all thick and gullible can you not see that,
(I wish he'd add me to his list of ***** he isn't talking to now )

[ramAnag]

You really must get out more Swale. That bus slogan was an example, not a promise. Covid has put the kybosh on that even if it had been a promise. Billions spaffed up the wall on the test and trace app that never worked, billions more on PPE that either never appeared or, when it did, was unfit for use. Millions more to the Tory Grayling for his I've got no ferries company.......

Basically, the NIC increase is something that could have been done with a far lower increase, if every cabinet from the past 60 years had had the common sense to do what just about everybody knew was coming, make provision for when the baby boomers all hit pensionable age and the problems that would cause. They never did because they knew it would lead to them losing seats. All looking after themselves rather than the country.

‘That bus slogan was an example, not a promise’. Technically you’re right, but everyone knows that in the build up to the Referendum it provided the single most visible and iconic campaign slogan, and held huge appeal to those who seldom think beyond the most simplistic level where politics are concerned.

Couldn’t agree more with your second paragraph, MA.

Tricky...you need to listen to Jeffrey Donaldson this morning rather than banging on about Swale and Barnier. He’s justifiably critical of the EU’s behaviour but, somewhat ironically given Arlene Foster’s stance over Brexit, he also talks of how Northern Ireland’s future was sacrificed on the altar of another populist slogan, ‘let’s get Brexit done!’

[Andy_Faber]

Couldn’t agree more with your second paragraph, MA.

Worryingly that's three of us agreeing now

[ramAnag]

Worryingly that's three of us agreeing now

Worryingly? It’s what happens when common sense is applied to a situation which has an ultimate ‘endgame’ which everyone needs to, but no one wants to, recognise.

Frankly, imo, science has placed far too much emphasis on extending life, but, crucially, not necessarily on an attendant quality of life...and religion has screwed the rest up.

Personally, and as with most on here this could happen any time from this afternoon to 25 years time, if and when the time arrives for me to need feeding and toileting I’d rather take a pill and slip away peacefully. There’s probably some politician/accountant somewhere currently considering what the charge should be.

[Geoff Parkstone]

A non-partisan (I think, you never know round here!) comment that I totally agree with

As do I