Fans' Forum [September 2021]

[ancientpie]

Most counter attacks from corners come from the defending players around the edge of the box running onto a ball that’s cleared into space. It’s hard for a player left up to actually do anything unless they’re absolutely lightning quick and the ‘keeper claims and releases it quickly.

That's maybe true but if you leave 1,2, or even 3 players up the opposition will leave more defenders back to cover them in theory at least this should make it easier for our defenders & goalie to do their jobs.

[SwalePie]

That's maybe true but if you leave 1,2, or even 3 players up the opposition will leave more defenders back to cover them in theory at least this should make it easier for our defenders & goalie to do their jobs.

According to IB the idea is that the more of our players we have in the box the less space the opposition has available to attack.

[Bushwacka]

According to IB the idea is that the more of our players we have in the box the less space the opposition has available to attack.

Is correct. According to various research, somewhere between only 2-3% of corners lead directly to a goal. This is because the attackers have just the goal to aim for, whereas the defending team have everywhere else on the pitch to put it.

[Elite_Pie]

Is correct. According to various research, somewhere between only 2-3% of corners lead directly to a goal.

I'd love to know the stats from years ago when Masson was taking the corner and Bradd, Needham and Stubbs were waiting to get on the end of it! I'm pretty sure the 2-3% could be trebled at least.

[jacobncfc]

That's maybe true but if you leave 1,2, or even 3 players up the opposition will leave more defenders back to cover them in theory at least this should make it easier for our defenders & goalie to do their jobs.

I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong really, positives and negatives to both ways, but I guess the theory is that creates more space in the penalty area for attackers to make runs and get free for a clear header. If you pack the box with more players, you maybe reduce your chances of winning the first header, but also make it much harder for the attacking team to get a clean contact and route to goal.

I think leaving one up is a pointless token gesture, but leaving two or more up gets interesting and makes the opposition think about what they’re going to do in response.

[Elite_Pie]

I think leaving one up is a pointless token gesture.

I think that leaving someone like Cal Roberts forward is a good idea, not just as an attacking threat but equally as a first line of defence. The problem with leaving nobody up is that when the ball gets cleared, their player has time to look up and pick a pass which is usually straight back into our penalty box. If someone is there to harry them, it's more likely to lead to a sideways or backwards pass.

[jacobncfc]

I think that leaving someone like Cal Roberts forward is a good idea, not just as an attacking threat but equally as a first line of defence. The problem with leaving nobody up is that when the ball gets cleared, their player has time to look up and pick a pass which is usually straight back into our penalty box. If someone is there to harry them, it's more likely to lead to a sideways or backwards pass.

Nah, you want Roberts on the edge of our box to try and run onto a headed clearance for me. He’s effective when he has the ball and is running at players. If you leave him up, he’s not quick enough to reach a ball in behind, or likely to be strong enough to get hold of a long clearance. Pressuring a second ball back in is one thing a player up can do, but it’s all about what you see as most important I guess.

[Elite_Pie]

Pressuring a second ball back in is one thing a player up can do, but it’s all about what you see as most important I guess.

In this case, we'd probably both agree that the most important thing is that we don't concede from the corner. Clearing the corner is good, but not if we have to defend again from what is probably called the 'second phase' these days.

[i961pie]

I think that leaving someone like Cal Roberts forward is a good idea, not just as an attacking threat but equally as a first line of defence. The problem with leaving nobody up is that when the ball gets cleared, their player has time to look up and pick a pass which is usually straight back into our penalty box. If someone is there to harry them, it's more likely to lead to a sideways or backwards pass.

Ditto