Fans' Forum [September 2021]

[the_anticlough]

I thought it was smart point made by IB in order to train him to focus under stress. If he only has 8 attempts he will care more about each one. Just my take at the time.

I'm sure monitoring and recording progress is important...said as much in the 1st post
But, and speaking generally not necessarily this instance...I think if people are keen to work extra to improve their skills (and career chances) you have to let them and encourage them to do so. There are enormous benefits to be had from putting in time to practice. As an accuracy game I don't see how football is that much different to golf or snooker say. Beckham for one took dozens every day. 8 would be less than 5 mins and then it's off to the play station/golf club! And it's probably still not midday
If he had suggested count your first 8 and your last 8 then that sounds more like it to me

[the_anticlough]

Ruben may well have said ‘look gaffer, I’d prefer to keep doing what I’m doing’ and Burchnall replied ‘ok, crack on’. Of course Ruben may have decided to run with Burchnall’s suggestion.

Well of course they're the two options, apart from stopping altogether

[matt_magpie]

And your entitled to your view. I do think your looking for something that isn’t there.

Ruben may well have said ‘look gaffer, I’d prefer to keep doing what I’m doing’ and Burchnall replied ‘ok, crack on’. Of course Ruben may have decided to run with Burchnall’s suggestion.

Definitely agree. To me it sounded like Ruben had been historically or that day been hitting a lot with not much success maybe due to not concentrating enough with hitting so many and IB suggested doing 8 or so and really concentrating, sounded like sound advice to me.

[the_anticlough]

To me it sounded like Ruben had been historically or that day been hitting a lot with not much success maybe due to not concentrating enough .

That's guesswork

My general point is that you wouldn't tell a pro-golfer to take just 8 putts or a tennis player just 8 back-hands and call it a day. Pro-sports people need as much encouragement as possible to work on their games and to love putting the extra time in

[matt_magpie]

That's guesswork

My general point is that you wouldn't tell a pro-golfer to take just 8 putts or a tennis player just 8 back-hands and call it a day. Pro-sports people need as much encouragement as possible to work on their games and to love putting the extra time in

It is guesswork but if he’s hitting high volumes with little success keeping doing the same probably is going to end up in the same result. If a pro golfer hits 100 balls each day at the range for a couple of days and it’s not going right they aren’t going to keep hitting 100 for the next few days, they are probably to sit back, think what’s going wrong and then probably focus on just hitting a few and concentrate getting it right. I think it was encouragement in telling him to try a different approach for a bit, then he can revert back to more once he gets it right.

[the_anticlough]

I think it was encouragement in telling him to try a different approach for a bit, then he can revert back to more once he gets it right.

We don't know that either

Where I'm coming from is the certainty that putting in the time voluntarily can reap massive rewards

I love stories of how the masters honed their skills. Don Bradman became the best batsmen ever by spending a large part of his childhood hitting that golf ball off the wall with a cricket stump. Our own Tommy Lawton became England's best centre-forward by smashing the ball against the corners of an upturned bench for hours on end.
I also know there's a massive culture of self-improvement in sports like the NBA (the rewards encourage that).
I wonder what happens in L2, NL? Is training just the sessions and that's it, go home?
How much talk/encouragement is there for players to put in extra? Is any structure provided? No clue. All I can be sure of is that if players want to put in extra then they should have full backing and encouragement. It's their career to make

[laddo]

Is that a joke? Are you saying Manchester City Chelsea etc are not having long term success .
I've yet to be dazzled by camellia eyes and I'm beginning to wane from his broken record excuses.

Ok there is weird and then there is mds' post.
"Broken record of excuses"?!??? If you think that you must be new to football and football managers or still have the opinion that he's arrogant like you have since soon after he arrived.

Don't see arrogance at all, confidence yes but not arrogance. I want the Notts boss to have lots of confidence in himself and his methods.

[matt_magpie]

We don't know that either

Where I'm coming from is the certainty that putting in the time voluntarily can reap massive rewards

I love stories of how the masters honed their skills. Don Bradman became the best batsmen ever by spending a large part of his childhood hitting that golf ball off the wall with a cricket stump. Our own Tommy Lawton became England's best centre-forward by smashing the ball against the corners of an upturned bench for hours on end.
I also know there's a massive culture of self-improvement in sports like the NBA (the rewards encourage that).
I wonder what happens in L2, NL? Is training just the sessions and that's it, go home?
How much talk/encouragement is there for players to put in extra? Is any structure provided? No clue. All I can be sure of is that if players want to put in extra then they should have full backing and encouragement. It's their career to make

Agree that skills like free kicks / golf shots repetition is absolutely key to develop muscle memory. At the same time continually doing it wrong has the opposite effect, guess we will have to just differ on that view.
I don’t think it’s a case at all at Notts they just do the bare minimum, on that same video IB said to Wotton to see him after the session as he had spotted something on the footage that may help with his movement in the box. IB comes across as an extremely dedicated coach and passionate and well read on it, he’s probably had to work harder than others to get in the pro gram management with not being an ex pro player.

[the_anticlough]

Hope that's the case, it certainly seems to be...perhaps more than Gregg Abbott for example

I didn't say anything on 'doing it wrong' btw...and that wasn't in the clip either, just the quantity point

[Woodypie]

Of course it works both at Notts and elsewhere there will be countless examples, I haven't seen anyone say it can't work. Tbh I think it probably gives us the best chance of promotion from this league.

My point is for every Warnock 30 years ago and Allardyce 20 years ago there are dozen examples each where this approach failed often miserably.

It's natural that Notts have won promotions and been successful playing direct/long ball football as I believe we've been predominantly playing that style since WWII. We are currently trying a different approach and it appears some of the (older) fans are struggling to adjust, don't want to, or just don't like short passing.

Whether old or young you don't need telling that the game has moved on hugely since Shankley in the 60s. In those 50+ years it's evolved and isn't the same game nowadays. It's better, the players are technically better, fitter, stronger, the tactical side of the game is on another level as is all the support work (strength, conditioning, nutrition, medical/physio etc). That's why the best team in Europe playing direct back in 60/70s weren't criticised they knew no better back then.

You are of course absolutely right Laddo. George Best, Jimmy Greaves, Kevin Keegan, Kenny Dalglish - pah, knew nothing about football, tactics and weren't fit enough to get into Burch's team. You do make me laugh!