O/T COVID rising…

[flourbasher]

When this is over I want someone to explain to me why wearing a mask to walk through an empty doorway because its dangerous, bu sitting at a table with people without a mask is safe.

Also, 75,000 in a football stadium shoulder to shoulder is safe but 10,000 on a march outside is dangerous.

Not sure people are saying it's safe, just a reduced risk if certain practices are followed. If they are saying it;s safe then they are misunderstanding the situation

I think the football crowd vs demo was when we were in lockdown. Surely people are not still saying people going on a march is still to be avoided

Entrance Doorways are the main throughfare so a lot of people pass that point so masks could reduce the risks. Sitting at a table with reduced numbers, 2m away from the next table and sitting with people you might live with (granted not always though) can reduce the risk.

Nowhere is safe it's just to mitigate risk if possible
Agreed everyone has a choice though

[gm_gm]

Not sure people are saying it's safe, just a reduced risk if certain practices are followed. If they are saying it;s safe then they are misunderstanding the situation

I think the football crowd vs demo was when we were in lockdown. Surely people are not still saying people going on a march is still to be avoided

Entrance Doorways are the main throughfare so a lot of people pass that point so masks could reduce the risks. Sitting at a table with reduced numbers, 2m away from the next table and sitting with people you might live with (granted not always though) can reduce the risk.

Nowhere is safe it's just to mitigate risk if possible
Agreed everyone has a choice though

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

[flourbasher]

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

I don't think many people are offering or indeed expecting protection, just a reduced risk as I wrote earlier.
Football matches are outside and ventilation reduces the risk as we've been advised since early on in this crisis

With regard to masks it depends what type of mask someone is wearing. Different masks offer different protection. Most of the standard, cheap one have gaps at the side and don't fit the face properly so are fairly limited
Can't comment on disposal methods. If someone is throwing it on the floor then that's irresponsible.

Not all premises have two entrances. Many restaurants and shops have only one

[KerrAvon]

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

Virues (not spores) are far smaller than the holes that exist between fibres within masks, but the point is that they are unlikely to be ejected from a person as single viruses (and the risk from a single virus would be very small). Instead, they will be carried on small droplets of water that are ejected when people speak or, more significanlty, cough. Those droplets are much larger than viruses and much more easily captured.

The pub football comparison is not straighforward. For obvious reasons, football stadia are far better ventilated than the average pub (where I prefer to sit outside at the moment - see above). That ventilation makes it likely that infected particulate material will quickly be dissipated and diluted. In addition, the presence of UV light in sunlight is quickly 'fatal' to virues (inverted commas because, strictly speaking, virues aren't alive to begin with).

And, again, I don't believe that there are any government mandated restrictions in pubs at the moment