O/T COVID rising…

[Shark27]

You are well wide of the mark there. I'm double jabbed, still wear a mask at the supermarket and prefer to sit outside when I make an occasional trip to the pub (although the weather may soon change that). Haven't partied for 18 months.

I don't know by antibody status and my point (again) is that it wouldn't make much difference to me if I did. I have (30+ yrs out of date) knowledge of microbiology and biochemistry, but would still not be able to determine what level of antibodies might afford me protection.

My point (again) is that modifying one's behaviour because of antibody status is to take a step in the dark.

Fair enough. Although I can see why Eric's mates would like to know though as as having antibodies (rather than not) lessens the risk as the evidence shows.

Each to their own I suppose.

[gm_gm]

It's the latest fad that the anti-vax/paranoid personality disorder crew have seized upon. Their gene-editing claptrap has been debunked as has some of the wilder 5G/ nano- technology drivel so naturally acquired immunity is the new thing..

It's all based on some early Israeli data that suggests that infection acquired immunity is more broadly based than vaccine acquired immunity. That's almost certainly true given that vaccines 'show' only the spike protein to the immune system whereas people who are infected with the virus itself will be exposed to a range of viral components The nutters have seized upon this whilst ignoring the herd of elephants in the room which is that to acquire immunity through infection, you have to get infected, which is err, what we are trying to avoid.

I'm not suggesting that gm is an antivaxxer. Reading his posts, I think he is a member of the 'it's just flu' brigade who appear to have shaped the early UK government response.

Not an antivaxxer Kerr but I believe people shouldn't be vaccinated against their wishes, or lose their jobs. There are people earning a lot of money out of this sham.

When this is over I want someone to explain to me why wearing a mask to walk through an empty doorway because its dangerous, bu sitting at a table with people without a mask is safe.

Also, 75,000 in a football stadium shoulder to shoulder is safe but 10,000 on a march outside is dangerous.

...The more worrying aspect is that some people actually believe this junk

[flourbasher]

When this is over I want someone to explain to me why wearing a mask to walk through an empty doorway because its dangerous, bu sitting at a table with people without a mask is safe.

Also, 75,000 in a football stadium shoulder to shoulder is safe but 10,000 on a march outside is dangerous.

Not sure people are saying it's safe, just a reduced risk if certain practices are followed. If they are saying it;s safe then they are misunderstanding the situation

I think the football crowd vs demo was when we were in lockdown. Surely people are not still saying people going on a march is still to be avoided

Entrance Doorways are the main throughfare so a lot of people pass that point so masks could reduce the risks. Sitting at a table with reduced numbers, 2m away from the next table and sitting with people you might live with (granted not always though) can reduce the risk.

Nowhere is safe it's just to mitigate risk if possible
Agreed everyone has a choice though

[gm_gm]

Not sure people are saying it's safe, just a reduced risk if certain practices are followed. If they are saying it;s safe then they are misunderstanding the situation

I think the football crowd vs demo was when we were in lockdown. Surely people are not still saying people going on a march is still to be avoided

Entrance Doorways are the main throughfare so a lot of people pass that point so masks could reduce the risks. Sitting at a table with reduced numbers, 2m away from the next table and sitting with people you might live with (granted not always though) can reduce the risk.

Nowhere is safe it's just to mitigate risk if possible
Agreed everyone has a choice though

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

[flourbasher]

Thats a strange analysis pal, I can see your all in with this.

The doorways were one entrance in and one entrance out so your answer doesn't explain anything

Another one

If masks do what certain people think and contain spores that are smaller than the perforations, what happens when they breathe out? Secondly, why are they not disposed of in contaminated waste bins instead of being thrown on the floor and in normal bins?

why does biohazard tape protect someone in a pub who is 3 feet away but isnt needed in a football match where someone is sat next to you?

I don't think many people are offering or indeed expecting protection, just a reduced risk as I wrote earlier.
Football matches are outside and ventilation reduces the risk as we've been advised since early on in this crisis

With regard to masks it depends what type of mask someone is wearing. Different masks offer different protection. Most of the standard, cheap one have gaps at the side and don't fit the face properly so are fairly limited
Can't comment on disposal methods. If someone is throwing it on the floor then that's irresponsible.

Not all premises have two entrances. Many restaurants and shops have only one

[Brin]

Quick point and question.?

If someone farts through their jeans you can sometimes smell it but, if you have unsuspected COVID and cough while wearing a face mask, can the spores be omitted through a mask? Has anyone any proof on this?

[crashbang]

Was it a wet fart?

[millertop]

Anyway get your flu jab

[Brin]

Anyway get your flu jab

Booked in pal Saturday morning 👍

[Brin]

Was it a wet fart?

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