6 Policemen arrest a terminally ill man ,for mooning at a speed camera

[mickd1961]

Just seen this fella on Midlands Today
Come on 6 police officers you are joking
Whether he was fit or not that is heavy handed

It seems the police like most people these days only want to do easy jobs which mean little or no effort
When things are more difficult they don’t bother

There are a million and one things they could do rather than pin this bloke down and arrest him
Fine him whatever else, but doing this is a joke

Especially when there are people getting beaten up when no police turn up
Burglaries/Vandalism that dont even get investigated they just hand out crime numbers

They also broke the blokes garden gate that was actually open and pinned him down when he himself had walked into the garden to give himself up!

Interesting to see how many coppers were stood there doing absolutely nothing.

So many lazy, useless, fat f u c k e r s in the force who are busy doing nothing.

Absolutely pathetic.

[Baggiemadguern]

They also broke the blokes garden gate that was actually open and pinned him down when he himself had walked into the garden to give himself up!

Interesting to see how many coppers were stood there doing absolutely nothing.

So many lazy, useless, fat f u c k e r s in the force who are busy doing nothing.

Absolutely pathetic.

Did he, sorry I missed that on the Dailey Mail video. Recall a someone chastising the police for dealing with speeders on a motor way days before some idiot killed people speeding in the same spot.

As I say they cannot win.

Explain why this man should be treated any different to anyone else? He was an absolute idiot and brought his troubles to himself, simple really.

[mickd1961]

I watched the whole video on local TV tonight as it happened a couple of miles from where I live.

Can you explain to me why it takes six policemen to speak with a terminally ill man in his 50’s?

Why the need to smash his unlocked garden gate and rip the lock off his house door?

Jesus......why is it that some people feel the need to defend such overzealousness and crass stupidity?

Yeah, the guy was a bit of a numpty to be honest with you but the arrest is typical of our heavy handed police when dealing with a middle aged white guy.

They even tried to force his hands up his back after he explained he couldn’t move to that position due to Parkinson’s!

Talk about grotesque.

[Baggiemadguern]

We were burgled just before Christmas many years ago
We knew who did it as they lived on our road and were well known crooks
They did it at a most opportune time knowing our whereabouts and also knowing the house was full of stuff

The police refused to do anything even question them, because they were a pain, they had finger prints, boot prints all sorts, didn’t do anything

BS, perhaps if idiots like this man did not think he was above the law, then perhaps police time would not be wasted on the likes of him and they would have the recourses to deal with the crimes like you say. This mature but silly man created a situation and now bleats to the British public and surprise, surprise, the great British public support a total moron. You could not make it up.

Think of what he has done and the consequences. All of his own fault really. If he had got his butt and tackle out in front of your parterre, wife or children and police ignored him, you might have an axe to grind. As it stands you don’t.

[mickd1961]

BS, perhaps if idiots like this man did not think he was above the law, then perhaps police time would not be wasted on the likes of him and they would have the recourses to deal with the crimes like you say. This mature but silly man created a situation and now bleats to the British public and surprise, surprise, the great British public support a total moron. You could not make it up.

Think of what he has done and the consequences. All of his own fault really. If he had got his butt and tackle out in front of your parterre, wife or children and police ignored him, you might have an axe to grind. As it stands you don’t.

“Resources”.........mmm?

Six coppers for one unarmed middle aged bloke with terminal Parkinson’s!!?

Good to see that constabulary is positively overflowing with plod!

Idiotic, badly managed from a resource point of view and heavy handed in the extreme.

[Baggiemadguern]

I watched the whole video on local TV tonight as it happened a couple of miles from where I live.

Can you explain to me why it takes six policemen to speak with a terminally ill man in his 50’s?

Why the need to smash his unlocked garden gate and rip the lock off his house door?

Jesus......why is it that some people feel the need to defend such overzealousness and crass stupidity?

Yeah, the guy was a bit of a numpty to be honest with you but the arrest is typical of our heavy handed police when dealing with a middle aged white guy.

They even tried to force his hands up his back after he explained he couldn’t move to that position due to Parkinson’s!

Talk about grotesque.

Middle aged white guy? As compared to what a middle aged guy.

Ok, this may take some time but let us bare with each other here. Start with…..Why did the police turn up at this persons home? I will respond to your answer tomorrow probably so I say let’s go one bit at a time.

[Albionmad]

It's true that the police do face challenging situations.
Do they control unruly mobs or bend the knee thus giving assent to whatever acts of crime & violence may be committed by said protestors?

Do they track down burglars, vandals etc or prosecute those law abiding individuals who in desperation defend themselves and/or their property in the face of extreme danger or provocation?

It must be perplexing when our average copper knows that for any given incident he has a truckload of boxes to tick and has to answer for any perceived racial or ***ual slur he may have inferred. So they go for low hanging fruit ie white British middle/working class who have no card to play.

Our society is at breaking point. Everything is crumbling before our eyes. Our political leaders have met to decide our planets future in the face of irreversible climate change. They expect ordinary people to pay a fortune for electric vehicles and heat pumps whereas they arrived at the summit & departed on private aircraft, feasted on the finest produce this world could supply and lodged at the finest accommodations that were available.

For what good its achieved, couldn't they have done this over zoom?

[BaggieSingh]

BS, perhaps if idiots like this man did not think he was above the law, then perhaps police time would not be wasted on the likes of him and they would have the recourses to deal with the crimes like you say. This mature but silly man created a situation and now bleats to the British public and surprise, surprise, the great British public support a total moron. You could not make it up.

Think of what he has done and the consequences. All of his own fault really. If he had got his butt and tackle out in front of your parterre, wife or children and police ignored him, you might have an axe to grind. As it stands you don’t.

I don’t think he should go unpunished but 6 policemen/women FFS
I don’t think what he did was right at all he should be punished accordingly, this is not

I get your speeding analogy but he’s not putting people at risk by mooning a camera

[BaggieBlood]

It's true that the police do face challenging situations.
Do they control unruly mobs or bend the knee thus giving assent to whatever acts of crime & violence may be committed by said protestors?

Do they track down burglars, vandals etc or prosecute those law abiding individuals who in desperation defend themselves and/or their property in the face of extreme danger or provocation?

It must be perplexing when our average copper knows that for any given incident he has a truckload of boxes to tick and has to answer for any perceived racial or ***ual slur he may have inferred. So they go for low hanging fruit ie white British middle/working class who have no card to play.

Our society is at breaking point. Everything is crumbling before our eyes. Our political leaders have met to decide our planets future in the face of irreversible climate change. They expect ordinary people to pay a fortune for electric vehicles and heat pumps whereas they arrived at the summit & departed on private aircraft, feasted on the finest produce this world could supply and lodged at the finest accommodations that were available.

For what good its achieved, couldn't they have done this over zoom?

Spot on. Top post.

Only white people get done by the police as it's easy and safe for them to do so, and the prisons are full of Tarquins and Basils.

The abuse of stop and search is a myth as was the killing of Dalian Atkinson.

[Baggiemadguern]

I don’t think he should go unpunished but 6 policemen/women FFS
I don’t think what he did was right at all he should be punished accordingly, this is not

I get your speeding analogy but he’s not putting people at risk by mooning a camera

BS I get six police knocking on the door seems over the top. But let us step back and look at this from another perspective. A male of 55 years moons at a speed camera. Why, well we now know why, is it normal behavior? I would suggest not. Having identified the individual they would have done a risk assessment, checked out the individuals background, does he hold firearms, does he have criminal record for violent crimes etc. One should also be mindful that not everyone who has a gun is licenced, we see daily people who are not licenced commit the horrendous crime of murder. Rewind a little and let’s say he is no trace, then you would have to think why did he do what he did. Is he bating the police to lure them to a situation whereby they are ambushed or shot.

With the risk assessment complete someone decided to send six police officers to this males home. There is of course the possibility that each pair were paired due to one or more being in their probationary period and therefore not allowed to work solo. (probably not I admit but possible) however, they send three double crewed to the males address. Whoever made the decision must have thought there was no threat from gun violence as they appear not sent a ARV.

Once they got in and once someone fails to cooperate then they are trained to us reasonable force to detain. Six officers look at least four too many. But look at this from another perspective. The would need a head man, that is a officer who, while the male is taken to the ground ensures that males head is safe, i.e, he sustains no injury from the fall and the resulting continued struggle. They would also ensure the subject is able to breath and perhaps lastly, ensure the subject is unable to bite or spit at the officers.

Another officer will cuff the subject. Another will be assisting with the secondary arm (it can be extremely difficult cuffing a subject who is resisting so two officers is not excessive. You also have a leg-person who restrains the subjects legs from injuring the officers. There is a technic to all of those roles and every officer will be trained in them. It appeared these officers were trained as they struggled to restrain the male but did so successfully without injury I believe.

In theory one might say that there were two to many officer there. What if the subject had injured an officer. What if four were unable to restrain him. Remember this those officers can only use reasonable force so, the can use all sorts of restraint methods but, and here is the but, those restraint methods do not always work on everybody.

If you have ever been in a position where you a faced by a large male person who resists then I can understand criticism. Officers have a duty of care so will take every safeguard to ensure a persons safety whilst detaining someone. If it takes ten officers to do it safely then that it is better than five and someone sustains an injury.

There could be other reasonings behind six officers attending. Dealing with a resisting person can be extremely exhausting for any officer. Within a very short time any officer will feel exhausted. I know that sounds silly but you try it and I mean really try dealing with that type of situation and you will seem how exhausting it can be.

One other thing. When police have been injured/killed having been sent to a situation, I have read on this very forum words like, ‘why on earth did they only send two coppers, ‘ and that by the very same people who knock when the situation is reversed.

Policing today is very different from years ago. There are less officers now than say fift=en or so years ago. (You can thank Teresa May for that I guess) but today they have to deal with growing areas of criminality, serous domestic issues that were once swept under the carpet, child abuse now more reported that ever, both current and historical abuse, cyber crime and others. There are fewer officers dealing with more complex crimes than ever.

One last thing that posters get wrong on here is the police deal with law and the people who they perceive have broken the law, they do not prosecute those people that is down the CPS.