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[Leicesterbaggie]

I regard your second paragraph as somewhat strange!!

[regis80]

I regard your second paragraph as somewhat strange!!

The NHS pay and pensions? I’m referring to the measly 1% rise, strange?

[WBA123]

Jeez, pot kettle black. ��

Btw this thread didn’t start as an endorsement of the labour party. But I think the public need to be aware of things like this. 12 months ago yes, but how has it been kept away from us this long. It’s okay for us all to have a restricted xmas but not them. They get away with everything.

The other day a post was made about tory tax office moving, was that scraping the barrel? Dido harding and PPE? when will this stop… don’t tell me ‘oh but everyone tells lies’

Nothing will change here Regis.

The Tories will get in again at the next election and have the countries pants down, for their own ends. We've reached a stage where they can do pretty much anything they want in office and most of their voters will turn a blind eye.

And the response from most Tory voters will be 'yeah, but Labour....'

[Albionic68]

The NHS pay and pensions? I’m referring to the measly 1% rise, strange?

No. He was referring to your final paragraph where you presumed everyone on the thread to that point was a Tory voter who'd be happy to take their wives back even if fkd by other men on a regular basis.

Paragraphs one and two weren't clearly defined hence Leicester's assumption that it was a two paragraph post, and your confusion as to which paragraph he was referring to. Happy to help 😊 .

[Albionic68]

Nothing will change here Regis.

The Tories will get in again at the next election and have the countries pants down, for their own ends. We've reached a stage where they can do pretty much anything they want in office and most of their voters will turn a blind eye.

And the response from most Tory voters will be 'yeah, but Labour....'

You're 100% correct. The Tories will remain in power until we have an effective opposition capable of exploiting their repeated fk ups.

Nothing's changed on that front though as the Labour Party is led by well intentioned yet vacuous @rseholes lacking any clear direction or identity beyond open mouthed finger pointing.

They're very good at avoiding the responsibility of governance. Failing to gain sufficient headway against this government is an act of unassuming brilliance. I may have underestimated just how clever they are.

[regis80]

No. He was referring to your final paragraph where you presumed everyone on the thread to that point was a Tory voter who'd be happy to take their wives back even if fkd by other men on a regular basis.

Paragraphs one and two weren't clearly defined hence Leicester's assumption that it was a two paragraph post, and your confusion as to which paragraph he was referring to. Happy to help 😊 .

Thanks Albionic68, i did think LB was referring to that too. Yes that analogy might be strange but what i’m trying to say is that we are being cheated over and over again yet we let them off the hook all the time. I hope none of your wives are actually cheating on you btw, or husbands and getting away with it.

I think in the UK there’s a level of morality and decency that’s gone missing on where to draw the line particularly on nation matters, sleaze and corruption. I believe in Karma and it will always come back to haunt you.

[WBA123]

You're 100% correct. The Tories will remain in power until we have an effective opposition capable of exploiting their repeated fk ups.

Nothing's changed on that front though as the Labour Party is led by well intentioned yet vacuous @rseholes lacking any clear direction or identity beyond open mouthed finger pointing.

They're very good at avoiding the responsibility of governance. Failing to gain sufficient headway against this government is an act of unassuming brilliance. I may have underestimated just how clever they are.

I agree. The opposition hasn't been effective since Corbyn got in, although there are steps in the right direction recently by Starmer.

What I would like to see is FPTP system being scrapped and a PR type of system. So its not just a binary choice between Labour and Tory every election.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I agree. The opposition hasn't been effective since Corbyn got in, although there are steps in the right direction recently by Starmer.

What I would like to see is FPTP system being scrapped and a PR type of system. So its not just a binary choice between Labour and Tory every election.

Labour haven't been effective since Blair went out. Couldn't even select the best brother!

The argument against PR is that it would undoubtedly result in a minority govt leading to coalitions. In the UK this is perceived as being weak. In many European countries coalitions are the norm (taken Germany 5 months to get a coalition sorted) and considered to be a balancing factor.

Unite has just cut their donations to Labour in protest at Starmer's leadership.

[mickd1961]

Labour haven't been effective since Blair went out. Couldn't even select the best brother!

Labour are completely hamstrung by their need to satisfy their Union paymasters and their loony Left element whist satisfying the need to appeal to an electorate who are pretty much split between just to the right and just to the left of centre.

They’re also hamstrung by the fact they have a very strong “Pro Eu” set of MP’s and candidates and a lot of now “Blue Wall” seats to whom they’re scared of looking out of touch by being Eu positive.

There’s actually a very simple answer and I’ve stated it on here before, during and post Brexit.

Given the difficulty that Brexit has caused in many areas of both supply of goods and necessary workers it’s fair to assume that a vote on rejoining the Eu would probably now win by 60% to 40% in my opinion.

Labour need to do the following.

1/ Find a dynamic centrist young leader.

2/ Completely distance themselves from the Corbynista element even if it means issuing expulsions to members.

3/ Go for a “Rejoin The Eu” campaign at the next election and to not be scared of alienating the Blue Wall voters especially as they’ve lost most of those seats anyway.

4/ Have the courage of their convictions towards that agenda and to just left of centre politics.

5/ Hold their hands up, ask for a clean slate with the electorate and admit that they are pro Eu and should’ve stuck to those guns.

Labour’s problem for a long time is that they try to face too many ways at the same time, they need to go pro Eu and look to win seats in the south and south east and maybe even in Scotland which this strategy may see happen.

If they carry on like they are they’ll keep losing albeit very varying amounts each time.

[regis80]

Labour are completely hamstrung by their need to satisfy their Union paymasters and their loony Left element whist satisfying the need to appeal to an electorate who are pretty much split between just to the right and just to the left of centre.

They’re also hamstrung by the fact they have a very strong “Pro Eu” set of MP’s and candidates and a lot of now “Blue Wall” seats to whom they’re scared of looking out of touch by being Eu positive.

There’s actually a very simple answer and I’ve stated it on here before, during and post Brexit.

Given the difficulty that Brexit has caused in many areas of both supply of goods and necessary workers it’s fair to assume that a vote on rejoining the Eu would probably now win by 60% to 40% in my opinion.

Labour need to do the following.

1/ Find a dynamic centrist young leader.

2/ Completely distance themselves from the Corbynista element even if it means issuing expulsions to members.

3/ Go for a “Rejoin The Eu” campaign at the next election and to not be scared of alienating the Blue Wall voters especially as they’ve lost most of those seats anyway.

4/ Have the courage of their convictions towards that agenda and to just left of centre politics.

5/ Hold their hands up, ask for a clean slate with the electorate and admit that they are pro Eu and should’ve stuck to those guns.

Labour’s problem for a long time is that they try to face too many ways at the same time, they need to go pro Eu and look to win seats in the south and south east and maybe even in Scotland which this strategy may see happen.

If they carry on like they are they’ll keep losing albeit very varying amounts each time.

Can’t disagree with any of that Mick. Even if going the Pro EU route isn’t popular amongst some voters, they’d have a realistic chance of winning and possibly overwhelmingly given the current problems. I wonder if Labour are just biding their time for now til the next election. Whilst this brexit saga goes on (leaving and returning), all this has cost of how many billions?