Boris gone

[kettering_baggie]

A change of leader isn’t going to transform British politics. We, as a nation, get what we vote for and therefore, by definition, what we deserve. The people of this country voted for Brexit and have for some years now voted in a Conservative government. Many MPs are decent hard working people doing their best for their constituents; it’s those with high office aspirations that seem to be the problem, driven by a desire for power and influence. Their constituents vote them in, though. Similarly, the constituents of say, Diane Abbott, continually vote her in, so what that says about those constituents, we’ll, make your own minds up. Then of course, is the left wing of the Labour Party which holds considerable sway over the way the party is run. All this is because British citizens vote to make it happen. The probability of this current row costing Boris his job is not that high; if the wretched virus is brought under control over the Winter all the other stuff will disappear from the memory of most people and the Toriwill on course for another win, aided and abetted by Labour continuing to include the likes of Rayner, Abbott & Co amongst their ranks. The population of this country is just not vocal or demonstrative enough to bring about real change. This is Britain 2021 style.

[splinter]

Everyone knows my opinion on the Johnson and the Tories….but the cynic in me questions, what is really going on behind the scenes?

The Mirror broke this story with a ‘source’ that they considered so reliable that they said they would stand by their story legally if required. Then itv very handily got hold of this video recording, from another source.

It seems to me someone is stabbing Johnson in the back. Perhaps someone with their eyes on the top job? Sunak, or Gove?

Maybe someone with an axe to grind? Raab, Cummings?

Either way, this information being released a full one year after it happened seems manufactured to me. Someone wants him gone.

And of course, I’ve got absolutely zero sympathy for Boris. He’s cold, calculating and conniving. And deserves everything he gets.

Let’s get the next Tory clown in.

And you really think Labour would do a better job of running this country.

[WBA123]

I thought this thread was only supposed to be about the Tories and no other party…?

But as you’ve asked, I think a traffic cone or maybe Larry the cat could do a better job than these inept tw@ts

[boingy]

You wont get a perfect politician. Not possible. They are all good and bad in different areas. Strong and weak in different areas. Its human imperfection.

[Albionic68]

Larry the Cat's a p us sy. Fact. Should fit in well with the rest of 'em.

[Omegstrat6]

A change of leader isn’t going to transform British politics. We, as a nation, get what we vote for and therefore, by definition, what we deserve. The people of this country voted for Brexit and have for some years now voted in a Conservative government. Many MPs are decent hard working people doing their best for their constituents; it’s those with high office aspirations that seem to be the problem, driven by a desire for power and influence. Their constituents vote them in, though. Similarly, the constituents of say, Diane Abbott, continually vote her in, so what that says about those constituents, we’ll, make your own minds up. Then of course, is the left wing of the Labour Party which holds considerable sway over the way the party is run. All this is because British citizens vote to make it happen. The probability of this current row costing Boris his job is not that high; if the wretched virus is brought under control over the Winter all the other stuff will disappear from the memory of most people and the Toriwill on course for another win, aided and abetted by Labour continuing to include the likes of Rayner, Abbott & Co amongst their ranks. The population of this country is just not vocal or demonstrative enough to bring about real change. This is Britain 2021 style.

Can't say as I disagree with this! The problem, it seems to me, is two fold -1) culturally we are too politically apathetic (no French-style "yellow jacket" demonstrations for us&#128512 and 2) the very nature of politics and the money and time required preclude so many people from entering it, so you either have to have money yourself and a job where you can free up a lot of your time to commit to it or else be sponsored to do so e.g. by a union. This situation also explains why so few women enter it as they still tend to spend far more time than men raising their families. For the majority who are not financially independent and have to work full time it is exceptionally hard to get into. Sadly. don't know what the answer is to this though.

[mickd1961]

Labour have got no chance of getting in, Boris could shoot the Queen and gain extra votes.

Boris needs to go though in the next 12 months to be replaced by Sunak in truth.

One of Labours biggest problems is actually Scotland, they've ben wiped out by the SNP so that horse has bolted, there's 35-40+ seats that they traditionally had a good chance in that are absolutely gone for them now.

Then there's the north, the sort of people that fat b I t c h Emily Thornberry sneers about along with the rest of Labours Metropolitan London Elite set. Coming as I do from "up north", I can advise that most northerners have equal contempt of southerners especially when they look down their noses at them.

Anywhere north of Buckinghamshire isn't going to be easy for Labour to gain trust in again.


I'll keep saying this, until a reformed Labour ( maybe ) slightly centre Left party is created with Eu positive credentials and a massive Green agenda to appeal to the under 35's then all opposition are p I s s I n g in the wind.

Centre Left politics needs a Farage type leader to rally this large section of society and create a movement under one banner.

This isn't rocket science but I'm not sure the people who inhabit the space that the Tories don't inhabit actually have the nous to either understand this or make it happen.

It would be a winning formula though, a leader with Blair type charisma, a "clean skin" type leader with no previous baggage who didn't have to grovel to the unions and the Trots and Marxists in the Labour Party.

A party of this genre would likely gain great revenue streams from pro Eu businesses who would fund them better than the unions.

This IS the answer.


Don't expect it to happen though.

[phild]

Sunak as been fairly quiet perhaps he was also at one of those numerous parties (gatherings)

[Yarmbaggie]

Labour have got no chance of getting in, Boris could shoot the Queen and gain extra votes.

Boris needs to go though in the next 12 months to be replaced by Sunak in truth.

One of Labours biggest problems is actually Scotland, they've ben wiped out by the SNP so that horse has bolted, there's 35-40+ seats that they traditionally had a good chance in that are absolutely gone for them now.

Then there's the north, the sort of people that fat b I t c h Emily Thornberry sneers about along with the rest of Labours Metropolitan London Elite set. Coming as I do from "up north", I can advise that most northerners have equal contempt of southerners especially when they look down their noses at them.

Anywhere north of Buckinghamshire isn't going to be easy for Labour to gain trust in again.


I'll keep saying this, until a reformed Labour ( maybe ) slightly centre Left party is created with Eu positive credentials and a massive Green agenda to appeal to the under 35's then all opposition are p I s s I n g in the wind.

Centre Left politics needs a Farage type leader to rally this large section of society and create a movement under one banner.

This isn't rocket science but I'm not sure the people who inhabit the space that the Tories don't inhabit actually have the nous to either understand this or make it happen.

It would be a winning formula though, a leader with Blair type charisma, a "clean skin" type leader with no previous baggage who didn't have to grovel to the unions and the Trots and Marxists in the Labour Party.

A party of this genre would likely gain great revenue streams from pro Eu businesses who would fund them better than the unions.

This IS the answer.


Don't expect it to happen though.

Interestingly I think Keir Starmer would agree with most of what you have said and is why he did the recent reshuffle behind Angela Rayners back.

All of the promotions were rising star politicians who are strong performers in the media. People like Wes Streeting, Bridget Phillipson and Rachel Reeves all appear to be hand picked because of their media performances.

I honestly think the party think they have in Starmer a man who the great British public could imagine as PM, something most didn’t with Corbyn.

They need to appeal to those switches in areas such as here in Teesside, and from what I am hearing many are disillusioned by the Government and many at the moment are already talking of probably going back to Labour. How these new appointees perform will be crucial but I wouldn’t be surprised at anything at the moment.

[Barrera]

I think Starmer will be a bit like Kinnock ..... a transitional leader preparing the ground for a stronger Labour leader in years to come .... someone who is yet to emerge from the pack. Most politicians ultimately want to be in power to achieve something in government ....20 years in opposition must be pretty soul destroying.... except for the hard left factions of the Labour Party who seem to wallow in all the internal infighting ....