O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[keldsyke]

You would imagine players and sportsmen in general are a bit more clued up about what's going on, for obvious reasons (well, obvious to some of us).

I wouldn’t bank on it a mate of mine a player (he’s been double jabbed) at a club (not Notts) was tested after a match a couple of months ago, 4 of the 2 match day squads tested positive, 8 of the remaining players hadn’t had one jab so had to self isolate, from what I’ve heard not many have had the full 2 doses.

[upthemaggies]

I wouldn’t bank on it a mate of mine a player (he’s been double jabbed) at a club (not Notts) was tested after a match a couple of months ago, 4 of the 2 match day squads tested positive, 8 of the remaining players hadn’t had one jab so had to self isolate, from what I’ve heard not many have had the full 2 doses.

That's what I was alluding to, that a high percentage of footballers haven't had the jab because they're more aware of the potential side effects and what has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months.

[BanjoPie]

That's what I was alluding to, that a high percentage of footballers haven't had the jab because they're more aware of the potential side effects and what has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months.

What has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months???

[maddogslater]

My dear bro whom loves going to Notts caught covid in August and only suffered mild symptoms, he's 24 stone and not in great health. I'm convinced if he wasn't double jabbed would not be going down with me on Saturday.
I also share some of the concerns by UTM, interesting debate this, without personal attacks so far.

[upthemaggies]

What has been happening to athletes around the world in the last 6 months???

What has always happened - on occasion. Sports men and women (including officials) collapsing and requiring CPR, some dying.
It could be that the current frequency is perfectly normal on a global scale, but the suspicion is that it isn't. If not, it may not be anything to do with the jab but some other phenomena, maybe it's an effect of the virus. It's too early to tell - these things take many many years to assess properly, which is why we would normally have trials and control groups for a new vaccine, especially one that works in a whole new way. Instead the law has been changed so the drug companies are no longer liable if something goes wrong.

This is also the first time we've conducted a vaccination programme with a pandemic in full swing, with the high risk of applying pressure to the virus to mutate in the vaccinated and drive the variants which evade vaccines, creating an arms race with it, as warned by the man who discovered AIDS and a scientist who was advising the WHO on the Ebola outbreak.

We do know for sure that what is being injected isn't staying in the place it was meant to do, it wasn't designed to end up in the heart, the reproductive areas etc. but at least in some people, that is what is happening. We don't know if the changes to the immune system will be permanent (even after just one shot) and what the implications of that would be.


I've taken flu jabs, I've had my kids vaxxed against MMR etc. I'm in the vulnerable group, so believe me, I've looked into this and continue to gather all of the information I can about these vaccines, how they work, what's in them, what's been censored, who's been censored, who has resigned under pressure to give the OK for these vaccines to be used, what the track record is for the companies pushing them is, I monitor all of this pretty carefully on a daily basis. Doesn't make me an expert, but I respect the opinions of people who are putting their reputations on the line to speak the truth as they see it, I do not respect the opinion of a behavioural psychologist and self proclaimed communist advising the government or people purely out to make a profit out of a crisis.

[Woodsetts_Pie]

No-one seems to have figured out yet who will do the policing of this. Lets assume we all turn up at the net home match when the "rules" are in force. Just who will be the Covid-police, checking your Covid-Pass-App or similar? It has to be the turnstile operators surely? And just how will that work then, with £9 per hour one-off employees playing judge and jury as to whether I who have travelled from Worksop, and more who have traveled further, can get in........

Also if a venue has a capacity of 20,000 like ours does it come under the rules?
Do the rules apply to venues holding over 10,000 even if only 200 attend?
Or do 10,001 have to attend before the rules apply?

[Woodsetts_Pie]

Just having a conversation with my daughter who is a Blade and has just read my post.... The issue of Sheffield United and Bramall Lane came up. Bramall Lane has automated turnstiles, no people in the box, you just present your ticket in the slot, it goes ding and lets you in.....

[BanjoPie]

What has always happened - on occasion. Sports men and women (including officials) collapsing and requiring CPR, some dying.
It could be that the current frequency is perfectly normal on a global scale, but the suspicion is that it isn't. If not, it may not be anything to do with the jab but some other phenomena, maybe it's an effect of the virus. It's too early to tell - these things take many many years to assess properly, which is why we would normally have trials and control groups for a new vaccine, especially one that works in a whole new way. Instead the law has been changed so the drug companies are no longer liable if something goes wrong.

This is also the first time we've conducted a vaccination programme with a pandemic in full swing, with the high risk of applying pressure to the virus to mutate in the vaccinated and drive the variants which evade vaccines, creating an arms race with it, as warned by the man who discovered AIDS and a scientist who was advising the WHO on the Ebola outbreak.

We do know for sure that what is being injected isn't staying in the place it was meant to do, it wasn't designed to end up in the heart, the reproductive areas etc. but at least in some people, that is what is happening. We don't know if the changes to the immune system will be permanent (even after just one shot) and what the implications of that would be.


I've taken flu jabs, I've had my kids vaxxed against MMR etc. I'm in the vulnerable group, so believe me, I've looked into this and continue to gather all of the information I can about these vaccines, how they work, what's in them, what's been censored, who's been censored, who has resigned under pressure to give the OK for these vaccines to be used, what the track record is for the companies pushing them is, I monitor all of this pretty carefully on a daily basis. Doesn't make me an expert, but I respect the opinions of people who are putting their reputations on the line to speak the truth as they see it, I do not respect the opinion of a behavioural psychologist and self proclaimed communist advising the government or people purely out to make a profit out of a crisis.

You need to stop reading the rubbish put out by anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nutters. Read the facts, listen to the scientists - there is absolutely no link between any footballers or other athletes collapsing with heart issues and the vaccine. People all over the world have always had unknown heart issues, just google how many runners have died in a half or full marathon - fit healthy people who trained for the race, just keeled over and died BEFORE covid ever existed. Wise up and get yourself vaccinated before its too late.

Stay safe

[upthemaggies]

Wise up and get yourself vaccinated before its too late.

Stay safe

I'm very satisfied, having had Covid, that I have the best immunity possible. Immunity from Sars-1 was shown to be still effective 13 or so years on. I'm not going to take a vaccine that would compromise that immunity.
Also, if there are unknown long term issues with Covid infection, I'd be an idiot to add potential long term issues associated with the vaccine for zero benefit.

People need to make their own risk assessment. Take that choice away and we really are entering a very very dark path indeed. Some countries are seemingly well on the way to it.

[Elite_Pie]

I also share some of the concerns by UTM, interesting debate this, without personal attacks so far.

While I try and respect personal freedoms and not blindly follow like a sheep, from a personal point of view I find the evidence pretty conclusive. Get the jabs as soon as you can, because overall it helps not only you but everyone else in minimising the effects of this virus. I'm triple jabbed and have had Covid (thankfully mild), I'll be booking my next booster as soon as I'm allowed.