O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Elite_Pie]

Well, we can all find so-called experts on the internet who will push their particular theories.

Yep, that's why I don't bother to read them. It's dead easy to tap 'Why vaccines are good' or 'Why vaccines are bad' into Google, you will very quickly find something you like and copy and paste it as fact. My views are simply based on every country in the world pushing vaccines as a priority and deaths, hospitalisations and infection rates falling since they were introduced.

[keldsyke]

My views are simply based on every country in the world pushing vaccines as a priority and deaths, hospitalisations and infection rates falling since they were introduced.

And that’s the key thing it’s just not a UK issue it’s a global issue.

[Notsohumblepie]

Yeah, let's all listen to Victoria Derbyshire on this.

I think some people in this thread are confusing anecdotes and outlying medical opinions with actual peer reviewed studies. If someone could link to some peer reviewed papers published in respected journals, which support the theory that vaccination is a waste of time, it'd be interesting to see them.

As for Pfizer, it wouldn't surprise me if there were dodgy financial dealings within drug companies. That doesn't mean vaccines don't work though. For England, by the end of Q3 2021, estimates suggest that 123,100 deaths and 23,915,000 infections have been prevented
as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination programme, up to 17 September. That's taken from a Public Health England report. The report, and the references used, are here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...illance-report

You're dead right . As with the Flu, vaccination has been shown in several studies to reduce the severity of illness in people who are vaccinated but still get sick. with a 26% lower risk of ICU admission and a 31% lower risk of death from Flu compared to those who were unvaccinated. I don't think the COVID vaccine regime has ever purported to be that much different , although the severity prevention factor seems to be more significant. I have never seen the vaccine as source of immunity , but as a powerful means of minimal discomfort, and maximised possible survival . Anecdotes make good headlines, but any vaguely positive news gets trampled to death at birth. That's as shame cause there isn't much of it about.

[upthemaggies]

I don’t think I’ll be taking advice from someone who gets their ‘facts’ from someone who researches it on the Victoria Derbyshire show, let’s hope you don’t get it and learn the hard way.

I' had it a few months before I got my first of five or six letters inviting me to take the jab. Lucky for me, otherwise I might have considered taking the shot if I hadn't already had it, with less info available at that time.

I quoted VD's tweet, to show that even BBC employees are now beginning to realise what a complete and utter farce this situation is.

[SwalePie]

I think this thread has now gone the way of the old Brexit threads. Nobody is going to change their mind, whether pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine.

Why don't we just go back to the original matter of whether we can attend Notts matches?

And please stop messaging me about it

[upthemaggies]

I think this thread has now gone the way of the old Brexit threads. Nobody is going to change their mind, whether pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine.

Why don't we just go back to the original matter of whether we can attend Notts matches?

And please stop messaging me about it

Evidently some fellow posters here with very fragile faith in these vaccines who cannot cope with somebody suggesting the vax might not be all they thought it was cracked up to be. Encouraging to hear.

[Elite_Pie]

Evidently some fellow posters here with very fragile faith in these vaccines who cannot cope with somebody suggesting the vax might not be all they thought it was cracked up to be. Encouraging to hear.

If someone really doesn't want to risk having the vaccine then I think that is their absolute right. If the rules then decide that they are not allowed to go to footy matches, theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants or travel abroad I hope they don't complain.

[Robertomac]

Well, it was good to have a variety of opinions shared.

Stay well y'all

Been a good thread. Points made and debated amicably.

[upthemaggies]

If someone really doesn't want to risk having the vaccine then I think that is their absolute right. If the rules then decide that they are not allowed to go to footy matches, theatres, cinemas, pubs, restaurants or travel abroad I hope they don't complain.

Nor should those in the private sector who enforce these rules if they struggle or go bust, turning away the very same people who were supporting them against lockdowns.

[cher1]

I think it's been an engaging thread. People might not change their minds, but it's still interesting to read what people are thinking and why.

Am not one of the people messaging Swale btw.