O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[jackal2]

If we’re not allowed to call the government Nazis for stigmatising a minority of millions whilst step by step banning them from society and sacking them from their jobs and forcing them to declare their health status..... then I'm not quite sure how the left get to call people Nazis who’ve done none of that.

I understand some of the criticisms you make in your posts, but I think it's unhelpful to start throwing the 'Nazi' label around, because that harks back to an extreme level of authoritarianism and barbarism that really isn't comparable with the current civil liberties arguments around Covid.

However, I was extremely uncomfortable with a Conservative Government decreeing that a certain group of people could be sacked from their jobs for refusing the vaccine. To me, that's overstepping the mark. I hear all the arguments about health/care professionals needing to minimise the risk of spreading the disease and personally I hope those professionals would take the vaccine as a matter of choice, but if they elect not to, then I come back to my earlier point that a certain degree of risk is inherent in a free society.

[upthemaggies]

I understand some of the criticisms you make in your posts, but I think it's unhelpful to start throwing the 'Nazi' label around, because that harks back to an extreme level of authoritarianism and barbarism that really isn't comparable with the current civil liberties arguments around Covid.

However, I was extremely uncomfortable with a Conservative Government decreeing that a certain group of people could be sacked from their jobs for refusing the vaccine. To me, that's overstepping the mark. I hear all the arguments about health/care professionals needing to minimise the risk of spreading the disease and personally I hope those professionals would take the vaccine as a matter of choice, but if they elect not to, then I come back to my earlier point that a certain degree of risk is inherent in a free society.

Yeah, my point was that the left have been freely chucking the term Nazi around for years and now all of a sudden they're getting very precious about making the comparison.

After almost two years of this, the majority of the British public evidently still believe that the best way to be free is to obey.

[maddogslater]

The Neil Oliver talk is wonderful, so sick of all the hype propaganda BS, I don’t need posters plastered on every lamp post telling me to not go for walk or stay safe (like in NZ living in a box behind the sofa) guilt trip 'protect the NHS' spot on Neil , well said and well put UTMs

[Elite_Pie]

After almost two years of this, the majority of the British public evidently still believe that the best way to be free is to obey.

I don't see it like that, I have chosen to obey rather than simply obey. I trust this government as much as I would trust Russell King, but my choice is based on reading the more moderate reports, looking at what's happening worldwide, and gut feeling. The vaccine is being pushed by every government everywhere as the best solution to managing the epidemic, so I had my first jab as soon as I could, my second jab as soon as I could, and my booster as soon as I could. Unless I grow a 16" prick (what's a couple of inches?) I will have any further boosters as soon as I can. I get that it's not a cut and dried decision, and everyone should be free to make their own choice, but as a gambling man my personal belief is that I've tilted the odds in my favour.

[jackal2]

The Neil Oliver talk is wonderful, so sick of all the hype propaganda BS, I don’t need posters plastered on every lamp post telling me to not go for walk or stay safe (like in NZ living in a box behind the sofa) guilt trip 'protect the NHS' spot on Neil , well said and well put UTMs

National leaders should practice what they preach, but it's even more important that they believe what they preach. Clearly a fair few in Government circles do not believe Covid is as dangerous to them as they publicly portray it to be, otherwise they wouldn't be acting in such a nonchalant way when they think they're away from the camera. The policies you recommend to the public should be the ones you believe in yourself, and if behind closed doors your actions show you don't actually believe what you're saying, don't say it. Your judgement may prove to be right or wrong, but at least your public messaging will then be sincere and you won't get continually called out for hypocrisy.

[upthemaggies]

National leaders should practice what they preach, but it's even more important that they believe what they preach. Clearly a fair few in Government circles do not believe Covid is as dangerous to them as they publicly portray it to be, otherwise they wouldn't be acting in such a nonchalant way when they think they're away from the camera. The policies you recommend to the public should be the ones you believe in yourself, and if behind closed doors your actions show you don't actually believe what you're saying, don't say it. Your judgement may prove to be right or wrong, but at least your public messaging will then be sincere and you won't get continually called out for hypocrisy.

100%. I think their actions do give weight to the belief that none (or very few) of them have actually had this vaccine either.

[jackal2]

100%. I think their actions do give weight to the belief that none (or very few) of them have actually had this vaccine either.

My guess is that most of them have been double or treble vaccinated and they feel sufficiently safe to carry on pretty much as normal. If that's the case, then allow the rest of the country to decide for themselves if they want to do the same. Time will tell who's right or wrong, but at least the leadership's public message and private actions would be consistent.

[Elite_Pie]

National leaders should practice what they preach, but it's even more important that they believe what they preach. Clearly a fair few in Government circles do not believe Covid is as dangerous to them as they publicly portray it to be, otherwise they wouldn't be acting in such a nonchalant way when they think they're away from the camera.

Two possibilities there:

1. They don't really believe it.
2. They are such utter sleazebags and hypocrites that they think the rules are for us and not for them.

Hopefully the voters in North Shropshire on Thursday will join me in picking the second option.

[jackal2]

Two possibilities there:

1. They don't really believe it.
2. They are such utter hypocrites that they think the rules are for us and not for them.

Both points amount to the same thing in my opinion.

There are certainly a significant number amongst the current political elite who think their job is to preach one message to the public while thinking and doing another thing in private.

Obviously, when you're in Government setting the rules and you get found out, you get the most criticism, and rightly so, but this contagion isn't limited to the Conservative Party. There are plenty on the Labour side and on other sides who would and have contradicted their own public messaging by their own private actions.

We now have a generation of career politicians - across the political spectrum - who lack core ideology or sincerity. They think they are there to market a message, which can be changed opportunistically in response to public opinion, rather than seeking to implement a heartfelt, core set of beliefs. This is why the public have lost so much faith in the political class in general.

Fortunately, there are still some ideologically-committed and sincere politicians around, mostly on the back benches, but they seem to be smaller in number then they once were.

[upthemaggies]

The creator of the technology for the mRNA vaccines has made a statement to parents today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGgIaNOW...pg&name=medium

There is also a video of him reading the statement here.....
https://twitter.com/DrNoMask/status/1470473459205652486