O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[Old_pie]

The creator of the technology for the mRNA vaccines has made a statement to parents today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGgIaNOW...pg&name=medium

There is also a video of him reading the statement here.....
https://twitter.com/DrNoMask/status/1470473459205652486

Two minutes of searching shows that all is not quite as he states.

[upthemaggies]

Two minutes of searching shows that all is not quite as he states.

Anybody who speaks out will get smeared. Who fact checks the fact checkers?

There is no denying that he is right that this vaccine has not been adequately tested and that giving it to children at no risk is unforgiveable.

[Elite_Pie]

Two minutes of searching shows that all is not quite as he states.

That's why I never click on any links on a political thread ever since Tricky repeatedly banged on about the 'Coudenhove-Kalergi plan'. It wasn't something I'd heard of, so I clicked on one of his links and found myself on a white supremacist website. On normal sites it turned out to be the philosophical ramblings of an Austrian bloke born in the same year we won the FA Cup!!! If you want to try and show that p aedophilia is ok and that Boris Johnson is a decent, honest bloke it will probably be on Google somewhere. On that basis, I'm going to spend a couple of minutes googling 'Notts County didn't really get relegated'.

[BanjoPie]

The creator of the technology for the mRNA vaccines has made a statement to parents today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGgIaNOW...pg&name=medium

There is also a video of him reading the statement here.....
https://twitter.com/DrNoMask/status/1470473459205652486

Fake news !!!!! Absoloutly NOT true

[cher1]

The creator of the technology for the mRNA vaccines has made a statement to parents today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGgIaNOW...pg&name=medium

There is also a video of him reading the statement here.....
https://twitter.com/DrNoMask/status/1470473459205652486

He might call himself the creator/inventor of the technology for mRNA vaccines. He's a liar. He's one of hundreds or maybe thousands of researchers involved over decades.

[cher1]

I notice you don't disagree with the premise in my previous post, so that's a positive.

Firstly, those Omicron numbers are tiny so aren't meaningful in terms of being able to form any conclusions.

Secondly, we've been over this previously, but the huge majority of people are double vaccinated in the US. Say for example 90 people are vaccinated and 10 aren't. If there are 5 cases, and 'most' were vaccinated, so let's say 3 people, then it's 3 in 90. The 2 remaining cases are 2 in 10. Which group had a higher rate of infection?

We know protection wanes (no-one is disagreeing on that point) and also that this is a new variant. We don't know when the infected people received their booster (eg I've had mine, but it's still too soon to be fully effective) so that could be a factor. We also know that because it is a new variant, the protection with current vaccines is circa 70 - 75% post booster.

However you want to dress it up, vaccination, and particularly boosters, reduce the chance of transmission, infection, hospitalisation and death. If you can find me any peer reviewed published evidence that says otherwise, I'd love to see it.

[magpie_mania]

I notice you don't disagree with the premise in my previous post, so that's a positive.

Firstly, those Omicron numbers are tiny so aren't meaningful in terms of being able to form any conclusions.

Secondly, we've been over this previously, but the huge majority of people are double vaccinated in the US. Say for example 90 people are vaccinated and 10 aren't. If there are 5 cases, and 'most' were vaccinated, so let's say 3 people, then it's 3 in 90. The 2 remaining cases are 2 in 10. Which group had a higher rate of infection?

We know protection wanes (no-one is disagreeing on that point) and also that this is a new variant. We don't know when the infected people received their booster (eg I've had mine, but it's still too soon to be fully effective) so that could be a factor. We also know that because it is a new variant, the protection with current vaccines is circa 70 - 75% post booster.

However you want to dress it up, vaccination, and particularly boosters, reduce the chance of transmission, infection, hospitalisation and death. If you can find me any peer reviewed published evidence that says otherwise, I'd love to see it.

Thanks for making the maths clear Cher. I absolutely get that some might not want to get the vaccine, but cannot see how your final paragraph can be anything other than correct.

I have asked a couple of times now how the fall in deaths and hospitalization at the same time as the number of people vaccinated increased can be explained, apart from that vaccines work. Surely it's not coincidence?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I understand some of the criticisms you make in your posts, but I think it's unhelpful to start throwing the 'Nazi' label around, because that harks back to an extreme level of authoritarianism and barbarism that really isn't comparable with the current civil liberties arguments around Covid.

However, I was extremely uncomfortable with a Conservative Government decreeing that a certain group of people could be sacked from their jobs for refusing the vaccine. To me, that's overstepping the mark. I hear all the arguments about health/care professionals needing to minimise the risk of spreading the disease and personally I hope those professionals would take the vaccine as a matter of choice, but if they elect not to, then I come back to my earlier point that a certain degree of risk is inherent in a free society.

You mean the people that they threw to the wolves when they denied them PPE whilst sitting on contracts whilst their donors friends and former ministers set up companies and then sourced suppliers. No surely they wouldn't sack these people the ones that they didn't murder whilst screwing the country and starving us all of PPE but especially those on the Front Line !

[Mapperleypie]

When Michael Gove said 'We've had enough of experts' I thought it was a dangerous statement but I didn't realise anyone would take him literally.

Turns out there are plenty of people that trust their own research on youtube and other dark spots on the internet over peer-reviewed medical journals. The mind boggles.

[upthemaggies]

We accept there will be vaccine deaths as a cost benefit, but this vaccine has now apparently killed more people than all other vaccines combined. Vaccine injuries must be off the scale. Facebook were banning all discussion of injuries, Eric Clapton for example was vilified for coming out about what happened to him. People are being made to feel ashamed and then silenced if they have been affected.
In the 1970s a flu vaccine programme was halted for a tiny proportion of deaths compared to what we see now. And with this one, people are apparently being counted as unvaccinated if they die within two weeks of the first shot.

Why are they censoring the safety documents for 75 years?

Why are they mandating this vaccine, for a virus that the vast majority have practically zero chance of dying from, whilst vaccines for far more deadly diseases are not?

Why is this vaccine so special that the companies producing it are not liable for deaths and permanent damage?

Why are we giving this to people at no risk, including children, when it doesn't even prevent transmission?

This is the first vaccine in history in which its failure to work is being blamed on those who do not take it.