O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[upthemaggies]

Please don’t… just go back to standing outside Marks and Spencer’s and St Mary’s and preach there thanks 🙂

Ha ha, that's actually very good.

I'm going to go ahead with it though.

[upthemaggies]

Why I think these vaccines will not work

Peer reviewed by my looney bin friend Aid.


Imagine there's a massive room into which a load of virus bits and bobs have entered. None are exactly the same, they all have very slight mutations which might be enough to cause them to veer to the left, veer to the right or head straight on.

Back of the large room, three entrances to tunnels. A virus can only survive for so long in these tunnels before it comes out the other side and infects the host.

Tunnel A - The smallest tunnel, hard to enter but it is a shortcut to the host.
Tunnel B - Larger, but takes longer to reach the host. Many won't make it.
Tunnel C - Very large tunnel but goes round in bends and twists and takes the longest to reach the host. Very few of the virus make it through this tunnel.


The virus is observed to mostly veer to the left and enter tunnel A. This is due to evolution favouring the mutations having the most success in reaching the host quickly and being able to reproduce rapidly.
Some enter tunnel B, very very few have the robustness to survive tunnel C.
So the virus mostly going through tunnel A becomes the dominant strain.


Enter the vaccine.
Bunch of builders sent in to block tunnel A with a wooden door, they've also got panels to block as best they can tunnel B, the other tunnel is too big to block but it's not an issue with this virus. Some builders get lost and end up in the wrong room, blocking the wrong tunnels and causing clots. Most however find their way to the correct room and do the job.

Problem 1. The wood rots, the B virus gradually finds its way between the gaps, the door to tunnel A the falls off and the A virus now gets through. So we have to send in the builders again.

Problem 2. Meanwhile, because we're in a pandemic and not anticipating next year's flu, virus particles are continually entering tunnel C and now reaching the host unchallenged by the A and B virus. Virus C goes from strength to strength. The builders now have an additional problem as well as trying to maintain defences to tunnels A and B. Plus the builders who get lost end up causing more clots.

The vaccine was not designed to close tunnel C and can only shut A and B for a limited time, driving the evolution of virus C as well as now encouraging combinations of A, B and C with various degrees of robustness, speed and accuracy to find the target and reproduce.

Something like that anyway.

[keldsyke]

Ha ha, that's actually very good.

I'm going to go ahead with it though.

I wouldn’t expect anything less free speech and all that! 🙂

[SwalePie]

Why I think these vaccines will not work

Peer reviewed by my looney bin friend Aid.


Imagine there's a massive room into which a load of virus bits and bobs have entered. None are exactly the same, they all have very slight mutations which might be enough to cause them to veer to the left, veer to the right or head straight on.

Back of the large room, three entrances to tunnels. A virus can only survive for so long in these tunnels before it comes out the other side and infects the host.

Tunnel A - The smallest tunnel, hard to enter but it is a shortcut to the host.
Tunnel B - Larger, but takes longer to reach the host. Many won't make it.
Tunnel C - Very large tunnel but goes round in bends and twists and takes the longest to reach the host. Very few of the virus make it through this tunnel.


The virus is observed to mostly veer to the left and enter tunnel A. This is due to evolution favouring the mutations having the most success in reaching the host quickly and being able to reproduce rapidly.
Some enter tunnel B, very very few have the robustness to survive tunnel C.
So the virus mostly going through tunnel A becomes the dominant strain.


Enter the vaccine.
Bunch of builders sent in to block tunnel A with a wooden door, they've also got panels to block as best they can tunnel B, the other tunnel is too big to block but it's not an issue with this virus. Some builders get lost and end up in the wrong room, blocking the wrong tunnels and causing clots. Most however find their way to the correct room and do the job.

Problem 1. The wood rots, the B virus gradually finds its way between the gaps, the door to tunnel A the falls off and the A virus now gets through. So we have to send in the builders again.

Problem 2. Meanwhile, because we're in a pandemic and not anticipating next year's flu, virus particles are continually entering tunnel C and now reaching the host unchallenged by the A and B virus. Virus C goes from strength to strength. The builders now have an additional problem as well as trying to maintain defences to tunnels A and B. Plus the builders who get lost end up causing more clots.

The vaccine was not designed to close tunnel C and can only shut A and B for a limited time, driving the evolution of virus C as well as now encouraging combinations of A, B and C with various degrees of robustness, speed and accuracy to find the target and reproduce.

Something like that anyway.

Fortunately the solid, reliable, scientific, peer-reviewed, large-scale evidence in the real world shows that the vaccines do work, so that should save you a lot of unnecessary tunnelling. Here are some more nice words and pretty pictures to ignore...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-charts-show-how-covid-vaccines-are-working-in-the-uk-.html

[upthemaggies]

Fortunately the solid, reliable, scientific, peer-reviewed, large-scale evidence in the real world shows that the vaccines do work, so that should save you a lot of unnecessary tunnelling. Here are some more nice words and pretty pictures to ignore...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-charts-show-how-covid-vaccines-are-working-in-the-uk-.html

We're in the early staged of an experiment, the science changes. It's self evident these vaccines are not up to the job, otherwise we wouldn't need a third booster or they'd be preventing people being infected long enough to drive it into extinction. You really think this 3rd one will be the last?

Seriously, what happens in the vaccinated with mutations as the vax begins to weaken and the virus learns how to bypass it?

Peer review is meaningless I'm' afraid, which peers? whose peers? Papers are challenged and redacted as the facts change, this is a rapidly evolving problem.

[cher1]

We're in the early staged of an experiment, the science changes. It's self evident these vaccines are not up to the job, otherwise we wouldn't need a third booster or they'd be preventing people being infected long enough to drive it into extinction. You really think this 3rd one will be the last?

Seriously, what happens in the vaccinated with mutations as the vax begins to weaken and the virus learns how to bypass it?

Peer review is meaningless I'm' afraid, which peers? whose peers? Papers are challenged and redacted as the facts change, this is a rapidly evolving problem.

There's a limit as to how much more I want to engage with this, but...

Point 1. There's is no evidence the vaccines are not up to the job. That's just not true. They have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented millions from beginning seriously ill.

Point 2. Related to point 1. As the virus mutates, the vaccines will be updated to account for this. Work is already well underway on this. As it stands, vaccines x3 are 70 - 75% effective against Omicron. The next booster vaccine will offer even better protection. It's ENTIRELY USUAL for vaccines to change as viruses mutate, as the flu vaccine does each year.

Point 3 sorry, that makes no sense. This is what peer review means in science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4975196/

Published papers aren't 'redacted', they've been published, how could you then redact parts unless you go to everyone's house with tippex and ask for their copy of the BMJ to cross bits out. That's nonsense. And of course papers are challenged, that's how we learn. And resulting high quality studies, which are peer reviewed, are then published.

[lunaspie]

' Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience,'

Mark Twain.

[Notts78]

There's a limit as to how much more I want to engage with this, but...

Point 1. There's is no evidence the vaccines are not up to the job. That's just not true. They have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and prevented millions from beginning seriously ill.

Point 2. Related to point 1. As the virus mutates, the vaccines will be updated to account for this. Work is already well underway on this. As it stands, vaccines x3 are 70 - 75% effective against Omicron. The next booster vaccine will offer even better protection. It's ENTIRELY USUAL for vaccines to change as viruses mutate, as the flu vaccine does each year.

Point 3 sorry, that makes no sense. This is what peer review means in science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4975196/

Published papers aren't 'redacted', they've been published, how could you then redact parts unless you go to everyone's house with tippex and ask for their copy of the BMJ to cross bits out. That's nonsense. And of course papers are challenged, that's how we learn. And resulting high quality studies, which are peer reviewed, are then published.

Pretty well summed up. I wonder what generation of flu jab we are now on now.

[cher1]

' Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience,'

Mark Twain.

Aint that the truth. And with that in mind, I'm bowing out for now

[upthemaggies]

Flu is a completely different animal. A key feature is its' ability to fool the immune system every two years or so, think of a rubik cube, a few flips and it's a completely different pattern. This is not the flu, as many people pushing the Covid narrative were very keen to point out when it suited them.

Science is not done by consent. It's either true or its false.

You can all pretend it's true, that is not science though.