O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[upthemaggies]

So if you're vaxxed you can end up with heart problems induced by either Covid or the vax, with the vax risk increasing with each shot.

If you're not vaxxed then you're only at risk from Covid and 0% risk from a vax, with heart problems suspiciously only now beginning to be emphasised since people started getting jabbed.

[maddogslater]

I've been jabbed 3 times, I don’t know what impact it will have on me or jabbing the world long term, neither do you, perhaps try and realise other opinions exist apart from yourself.

[upthemaggies]

Well they already have total control, compliance by scarring the sht out of the populations, haven't read it, was mentioned in a JR podcast I was listening to the other day

If anybody accepts Bill Gates as a big player in all of this, or at least privy to all that's going on behind the scenes, then it's worth noting that he recently said on camera that he thought the pandemic would come to an end sometime in 2022.

Around the start of the pandemic, he said the next virus to follow would be a whole lot worse, dropping a little smile at the end.

[maddogslater]

Oh and another thing, the allies fought for freedom in WW2 not for nazi style dystopia

[keldsyke]

I've been jabbed 3 times, I don’t know what impact it will have on me or jabbing the world long term, neither do you, perhaps try and realise other opinions exist apart from yourself.

Absolutely, it’s called balance!

[upthemaggies]

On the latest UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report..... "Unadjusted vaccine effectiveness based on the raw reported infection rates is still negative for all aged between 18 and 70 (see above). In fact, it’s gone negative for the first time in 18-29 year-olds, down to minus-10.1%, after a sharp drop in the last week. A negative vaccine effectiveness means the infection rate per 100,000 people is higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. "

[drillerpie]

On the latest UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report..... "Unadjusted vaccine effectiveness based on the raw reported infection rates is still negative for all aged between 18 and 70 (see above). In fact, it’s gone negative for the first time in 18-29 year-olds, down to minus-10.1%, after a sharp drop in the last week. A negative vaccine effectiveness means the infection rate per 100,000 people is higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. "

I've just been to look at that document:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...llance-reports

And it's interesting reading. I think it could be useful to judge some of the claims made so far. It's about 50 pages long and I only had a quick look and so didn't find the part you quoted UTM, could you tell me which page it's on? I'm sure if I was more tech savvy I'd be able to search for it myself.

[Old_pie]

So if you're vaxxed you can end up with heart problems induced by either Covid or the vax, with the vax risk increasing with each shot.

If you're not vaxxed then you're only at risk from Covid and 0% risk from a vax, with heart problems suspiciously only now beginning to be emphasised since people started getting jabbed.

You have a fixation with irrationality. The risks from Covid are a lot more than a possibility of a heart problem. I won't bother to identify them all here because you can look it up for yourself. However apart from the fact that for every 32 people that die of Covid (not with Covid - of Covid) 30 have NOT been vaccinated. I played golf with someone a few weeks ago and he had Covid earlier in the year, was in a coma for a week and now has a high risk of permanent lung damage and was struggling somewhat on the course.

Stick to doing your excellent "Up The Maggies" site and leave this stuff to those who have better comprehension skills and are not looking for conspiracy theories at every corner. Please.

Material more suitable for handbags methinks.

[cher1]

On the latest UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report..... "Unadjusted vaccine effectiveness based on the raw reported infection rates is still negative for all aged between 18 and 70 (see above). In fact, it’s gone negative for the first time in 18-29 year-olds, down to minus-10.1%, after a sharp drop in the last week. A negative vaccine effectiveness means the infection rate per 100,000 people is higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. "

Where is that in the actual report? Am struggling to find it.

[cher1]

So if you're vaxxed you can end up with heart problems induced by either Covid or the vax, with the vax risk increasing with each shot.

If you're not vaxxed then you're only at risk from Covid and 0% risk from a vax, with heart problems suspiciously only now beginning to be emphasised since people started getting jabbed.

Either you genuinely misunderstand what you've just written, or you don't think people will see the holes in that argument. I'm not sure which.