O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Geoff Parkstone]

As regards the 27 boater "tragedy" , I wonder if they were vaccinated? If not shouldn't have been let in anyway, surely?

Honestly, I couldn't care less.

[ramAnag]

What about 'dimwits' and 'core vote was too thick', AND that was just the first paragraph, AND the whole response was more mild in tone than usual. Detailed response to Swales' ramblings isn't worth the insults, his approach, and yours to a lesser extent, is exactly why I never discuss politics in the real world, and to repeat a comment from a week or so ago, I now understand GP's change of response style to more cynical/sarcastic over recent times

Doesn't it ever wear you down having to defend him?

I was referring to his comments specifically aimed at Tricky.

I’m not defending him...I agree with him and I’m defending his view.

You’ve just done exactly what you’ve accused him of...and I imagine there are other reasons why you never ‘discuss politics in the real world’.

[ramAnag]

As regards the 27 boater "tragedy" , I wonder if they were vaccinated? If not shouldn't have been let in anyway, surely?

Honestly, I couldn't care less.

Well done...probably the least tasteful comment ever made on here...and to think you have the audacity to refer to the ‘verbal abuse’ of others.

[ramAnag]

Tricky...you must have missed the recent Channel tragedy. The dead included at least seven women and three children. The fact that the trafficking ‘business’ is run by criminals is undoubtedly true...doesn’t alter the level of desperation experienced by those who are being trafficked though does it?


No, I didn't miss it.
A statement from the Paris prosecutor said that there were 17 men among the deceased aged 19-26, seven women aged 22-46, as well as a 16-year-old ****ager and a child aged seven.

Six**** of the victims were Kurds from Iraq, four were Afghan men. Three Ethiopians, a Somalian woman, as well as an Iranian and an Egyptian man made up the others.

Now I'll ask again, who organised that trip and why was it deemed necessary?
You say desperation, I say cherry picking.
Lets look at the most common list-
https://news.sky.com/story/channel-d...-from-12478170

They use personal funds/family funds/ crime funds to cherry pick a destination.
They know damned well, that once here, the chances of eviction (thanks EU) ARE VIRTUALLY ZERO.

So I'll say agin. This country has been a proud refugee safe port for decades.
This isn't about that anymore. Most are after a better life and I suggest you listen to interviews of the migrants themselves in Calias.
They all admit that.

We are being taken for a ride and other countries in Europe(Sweden/Denmark) have woken up to it.
They won't stay in France, as even the French say we are too soft with them.

Can’t be bothered to enter into further futile debate Tricky. Your mind is made up, though thankfully not as distastefully as GP’s.
Here are some facts for you to consider. Obviously all such figures have been skewed by Covid but below is a list of those European countries taking greatest responsibility for asylum seekers in 2020 prior to the pandemic.

Germany 128,950
Spain 124,795
France 86,330
Italy 40,795
UK 20,552

Makes you think...or there again...probably not.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well done...probably the least tasteful comment ever made on here...and to think you have the audacity to refer to the ‘verbal abuse’ of others.

Hurrah, my work here is done 😀

[Trickytreesreds]

Can’t be bothered to enter into further futile debate Tricky. Your mind is made up, though thankfully not as distastefully as GP’s.
Here are some facts for you to consider. Obviously all such figures have been skewed by Covid but below is a list of those European countries taking greatest responsibility for asylum seekers in 2020 prior to the pandemic.

Germany 128,950
Spain 124,795
France 86,330
Italy 40,795
UK 20,552

Makes you think...or there again...probably not.

I know the european figures RA.
Germany for example, took a million, when Merkel gave the green light to flood Europe under the guise of Syria.
What you are refusing to acknowledge, is that most migrants are NOT refugees.
In fact the ones we have given it to, seem to be purely by the fact, they tossed away all papers and it's impossible to boot them out.

I blame the EU and its soft borders for most of this. Funny though, how suddenly it takes Poland taking a stance for the EU to react.
Before Germany took those masses in, exactly how many refugees has Germany accepted since 1945? I'll let you look it up, it's actually very little.

As for your UK figures alone, it doesn't tell the whole story dose it?
UNHCR current forgures 2020

According to UNHCR statistics, at the end of 2020 there were  132,349  refugees, 77,245 pending asylum cases  and 4662  stateless persons  in the UK.

Remember, everyone of those tossing away their ID has something to hide.
If I was fleeing war etc, I'd want my safe place to accept me. My best interests would be to declare why I am here.

Every murder committed (like the 3 gay men in Reading), by these charlatans, is on the soft headed few we have here.

Exactly what is wrong with picking refugees from camps etc?
Anyone coming here from safe France should be ejected.

[Ramshank72]

Well, even Countryfile is singing from the refugee hymn sheet. You can't get away from it!
#stokingthefire
Think our government is doing better than the Dutch one with all their weird rules and indecision

[Andy_Faber]

Well, even Countryfile is singing from the refugee hymn sheet. You can't get away from it!
#stokingthefire
Think our government is doing better than the Dutch one with all their weird rules and indecision

You're heading for detention with comments like that

[MadAmster]

Well, even Countryfile is singing from the refugee hymn sheet. You can't get away from it!
#stokingthefire
Think our government is doing better than the Dutch one with all their weird rules and indecision

Weird rules and indecision?

After being accused of being slow over the past year (slow starting the vaccination process, slow on starting the booster process) and reacting rather than being proactive they got their act together.

Southern Africa started reporting cases of the new, now called Omicron, variant. The Dutch government immediately stopped all flights from Southern Africa. Knowing full well there was a great chance one or more people with it had already entered the country. They hadn't done so with the "UK" variant or the "Indian" one or the "Brazilian" one. The action was to delay the full onset not prevent it.

Since last weekend we are in lockdown until January 14th at least. Not weird. Not indecisive. Again the aim is to spread the peak over a longer period to relieve the pressure on hospitals. Incidentally, the vast majority of non-urgent operations have long been cancelled. Heart, lung, cancer and other patients are not getting diagnosed as they aren't getting appointments and those that are diagnosed are often not getting the treatment they require. Spreading the Covid load will possibly stop further reductions in other care and might even create some room for other treatments to take place.

[Ramshank72]

I dunno Amster, I can't imagine those curfew rules going down well here. Surely shortening open hours just makes more people congregate in small spaces due to the shorter time period to due so, especially on public transport.
Imagine the furore if Boris tried something like that!