O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[drillerpie]

If people were being coerced into being given the virus though an injection or sitting in a room full of the virus until they came down with it, then yes.. But as we are, people have the option of making their own risk assessment on that front, they can take precautions, you can mask up on your own outside in the middle of nowhere, avoid socialising, stay home etc, or take the jab if you believe it works.

We don't know what the long term effects of Covid are. For those that have had it, we're now being asked to accept unknown long terms side effects of both Covid and the vax, which is not a reasonable request.

Ok so genuine question: what name would you give to people online who spend a lot of time trying to dissuade others from having the vaccine (say for example through unscrupulous use of unreliable data) or encouraging them to obtain natural immunity, even though we don't know the long term effects of getting infected, making it essentially an experiment-in-progress at this point?

[cher1]

If people were being coerced into being given the virus though an injection or sitting in an enclosed room full of the virus until they came down with it, then yes.. But as we are, people have the option of making their own risk assessment on that front, they can take precautions, you can mask up on your own outside in the middle of nowhere, avoid socialising, stay home etc, or take the jab if you believe it works.

We don't know what the long term effects of Covid are. For those that have had it, we're now being asked to accept unknown long term side effects of both Covid and the vax, which is not a reasonable request.

The trouble with letting people make their own risk assessment is that many people don't have the intelligence to do that in a robust way. Sorry if that sounds brutal, but it is true. As one example, you posted about Taiwan stopping vaccinations for children. Someone else might read that and think 'well I wont get my children vaccinated if they've stopped in Taiwan'. They may never research further and discover that vaccinations were restarted again soon afterwards. The NHSE data is it there for anyone to download, but again, lots of people would probably rather watch a slick video which may or may not reflect current research outcomes.

I absolutely don't think that vaccinations should be mandated for whole populations, but there's is a well researched link between vaccine hesitancy and socioeconomic deprivation. Also, the more deprived people are, they're more likely they are to be obese, smokers and sufferings from ill health. And these are therefore the people most likely to die from covid. I don't know what the answer is to that conundrum.

[upthemaggies]

Ok so genuine question: what name would you give to people online who spend a lot of time trying to dissuade others from having the vaccine (say for example through unscrupulous use of unreliable data) or encouraging them to obtain natural immunity, even though we don't know the long term effects of getting infected, making it essentially an experiment-in-progress at this point?

There's a very big difference between people you don't know online telling you what they think you should be doing and the government/media/police telling you what you should do with the option of varying degrees of force, with Klopp encouraging the latter to go to the extreme. There's a clear distinction between the two sides on the question of freedom and individuals taking responsibility for their own health. To describe somebody as a Nazi for basically supporting personal choice and less restriction on freedom would be absurd.

[upthemaggies]

The trouble with letting people make their own risk assessment is that many people don't have the intelligence to do that in a robust way. Sorry if that sounds brutal, but it is true. As one example, you posted about Taiwan stopping vaccinations for children. Someone else might read that and think 'well I wont get my children vaccinated if they've stopped in Taiwan'. They may never research further and discover that vaccinations were restarted again soon afterwards. The NHSE data is it there for anyone to download, but again, lots of people would probably rather watch a slick video which may or may not reflect current research outcomes.

I absolutely don't think that vaccinations should be mandated for whole populations, but there's is a well researched link between vaccine hesitancy and socioeconomic deprivation. Also, the more deprived people are, they're more likely they are to be obese, smokers and sufferings from ill health. And these are therefore the people most likely to die from covid. I don't know what the answer is to that conundrum.

If it was the case that these vaccines stopped you from getting Covid for life after two shots with no greater risk of side effects than normal and there was compensation for anybody unlucky enough to suffer damages, then I'd be confident most people would take the shot.

Surely we have to accept though that even the most uneducated will question the prospect of what's likely going to be at least a twice yearly shot that only reduces the chance of you becoming seriously ill when most people are at next to no risk of that anyway. Most people who will die will do so because they're in really bad shape, we could be putting all of this money that's being spent on advertising jabs into encouraging people to take vitamins c and d for example and losing weight.

[Maggie's Farm]

The trouble with letting people make their own risk assessment is that many people don't have the intelligence to do that in a robust way.

for non-scientists like myself, this seems to be an interesting and sourced meta debunking of the 'experimental' tag by Reuters Fact Check:

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2M70MW

[upthemaggies]

for non-scientists like myself, this seems to be an interesting and sourced meta debunking of the 'experimental' tag by Reuters Fact Check:

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2M70MW

Ad who is on the board of Reuters?

[Maggie's Farm]

... the cdc on mrna:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

[Maggie's Farm]

Ad who is on the board of Reuters?

Educate me.

[bule1]

The selective faith in weblinks that support peoples preconceived beliefs and dismissing of those that do not beggars belief.

[Maggie's Farm]

Ad who is on the board of Reuters?

ah ok a pfizer investor. So he manipulates the news to help his investments? Would you do that?

who is on the board of cdc?