COVID Call offs vs Injuries

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

You really are priceless - do you really want to live in a society where we force people to have foreign material into their bodies as opposed to setting our the benefits and risks and allowing free choice.

Suggest you look at what is going on in the USA with Pfizer and the FDA too but sure you won’t that might involve balance, acknowledging different points or view and the fact that you might just be wrong.

[WTF11]

You really are priceless - do you really want to live in a society where we force people to have foreign material into their bodies as opposed to setting our the benefits and risks and allowing free choice.

Suggest you look at what is going on in the USA with Pfizer and the FDA too but sure you won’t that might involve balance, acknowledging different points or view and the fact that you might just be wrong.

I'm triple vaccinated (2 X Astra Seneca, 1 X Pfizer, had my flu vaccination at the same time, more or less), not "forced", just a ligical conclusion of the benefit vs risk based on the scientific evidence produced by ALL countries, not just here in the UK.

There is a balance to be had, that's for sure, but those who belong to the "anti-vaxx" community don't exist in the world of rational debate (if we listened to their arguments smallpox would still be a global killer). Sometimes the benefit to the many outweighs the restrictions of the few, this (football notwithstanding) is one of those occasions.

For certain, we cannot prevent Covid spread, no more than we have done for flu. It is here to stay and the best we can do is prevent serious illness, not infection and the best way to achieve that is vaccination, not hibernation.

You can go and bury yourself in your own personal hell hole, I'll be out there living what little life holds for me and doing so while making sure my vaccinations protect me and all those I come into contact with, you can stick your "foreign material" horseh1t where the sun don't shine.

[ozleeds]

You really are priceless - do you really want to live in a society where we force people to have foreign material into their bodies as opposed to setting our the benefits and risks and allowing free choice.

Suggest you look at what is going on in the USA with Pfizer and the FDA too but sure you won’t that might involve balance, acknowledging different points or view and the fact that you might just be wrong.

But but just about everything we consume has a made in china sticker so what's the difference? At list, the jabs are made elsewhere. If you need to know 80 percent of all tablets are produced in India so god knows what love goes in them.
Some nice stories here from anti vaxxers.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ti+vaxxer+dies
One example

[spaldy]

I guess I'll repeat myself. The covid vaccine, any of them, does not prevent covid. In fact, there is increasing evidence that they are more efficient at spreading it that people who have natural immunity from previous infection.

I'll also point out that the death rate for pre-pubescent children is under 1 in 10 million (US) However, the adverse reaction to vaccinations is closer to 1 in 10,000. Some of these are deadly and many will leave life time damage to these poor kids hearts. All because some politician wanted donations from a pharmaceutical company.

It will come out some time in the future and this will be a black mark on our society that we damaged our children for some politicians desire to be elected or a pharma company to make additional profits. The adverse reaction rate on this vaccine for children is already higher than all of the other children's vaccinations combined over the entire history of giving them. This issue is not to be confused with childhood vaccines given for diseases with high kill rates on children, have been tested for years and decades of experience behind them. 2 different issues being conflated.

The choice to be vaccinated must be an individual's choice and they must be a adult capable to commit to a potential lifetime changing outcome. Just like you don't allow minors to enter into legal contracts because of the lifetime impact. I chose to do it but researched it extensively and determined it was better for me. i would feel much differently if I was 30 years old and in good health.

Your obsession with demanding that everyone is vaccinated or else is eerily similar to the same wonderful people that gave us this virus in the first place. It will also be determined some day this was a mutated virus being developed for a bio weapon that escaped prematurely.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I guess I'll repeat myself. The covid vaccine, any of them, does not prevent covid. In fact, there is increasing evidence that they are more efficient at spreading it that people who have natural immunity from previous infection.

I'll also point out that the death rate for pre-pubescent children is under 1 in 10 million (US) However, the adverse reaction to vaccinations is closer to 1 in 10,000. Some of these are deadly and many will leave life time damage to these poor kids hearts. All because some politician wanted donations from a pharmaceutical company.

It will come out some time in the future and this will be a black mark on our society that we damaged our children for some politicians desire to be elected or a pharma company to make additional profits. The adverse reaction rate on this vaccine for children is already higher than all of the other children's vaccinations combined over the entire history of giving them. This issue is not to be confused with childhood vaccines given for diseases with high kill rates on children, have been tested for years and decades of experience behind them. 2 different issues being conflated.

The choice to be vaccinated must be an individual's choice and they must be a adult capable to commit to a potential lifetime changing outcome. Just like you don't allow minors to enter into legal contracts because of the lifetime impact. I chose to do it but researched it extensively and determined it was better for me. i would feel much differently if I was 30 years old and in good health.

Your obsession with demanding that everyone is vaccinated or else is eerily similar to the same wonderful people that gave us this virus in the first place. It will also be determined some day this was a mutated virus being developed for a bio weapon that escaped prematurely.

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The western world - especially the UK and the USA - appear to be increasingly unable to assess, articulate and deal with risk.

The way in which politicos and the media message things in a binary way does not help.

The mRNA vaccines are not risk free nor could they ever be. The information about risk is not as widely available as it should be.

For most people above a certain age the risk from the vaccine is massively outweighed by the risk from COVID.

I am not quite sure why the UK went from being broadly sceptical about vaccinated 12 - 18 year olds to rolling it out as there is so little data out there.

The information which is out there is so limited on that point as to be worthless.

It seems some categories of people may be at risk from certain vaccines - the young for one, the pregnant for another different one and an irony of life that the super healthy conditioned athletes are prone to catch respiratory illnesses more.

The method of injecting is also criticised in a lot of places but a wall of there is nothing to see here does not help avoid the conspiracists.

The fact that the USA seemed to sponsoring the Chinese research and the alleged links to Fauci add another level of incredulity to it all.

Spaldy - no point reasoning with him as he knows best in his own head and will trait or use arguments to keep that self perpetuating by bubble of I’m right in tact.

I imagine it must be close to dealing with Boris Johnson in parliament .

[ozleeds]

And I stress again we all know vaccines don't kill covid they minimize the impact. You can still pick it up and pass it on. The more that get them the less likely hood of severe covid impact. Here like some people are screaming we want freedom so politicians gave up and lifted restrictions now cases are skyrocketing again in some states they estimate 25k cases a day by February. For a country with a population of only 28 mills, they are huge numbers or yeah and the deaths keep coming mostly un vaxxed.
Hospitals are not equipped for numbers like this and I dare say in any country. Beds are taken by people not doing the right things and the rest of societies have to pay as urgent medical assistance and operations cant be performed.
People should wake up realize the hospital employees need a break from the selfless individuals who always sway on the side of the world is out to get them. And Spaldy Americans have nothing to cry about as they elected a Chinese lover as he has huge business connections with them shame if he was to go bust.
Get vaccinated help out mankind to get rid of this Chinese revenge on the world if not for yourselves or others. You don't want to have it that's fine also just don't mix with the rest of society that does.
Ohh and on the Chinese, they are at it again since we gave them everything to make they closed all the factories that were making the DieselTrucks additive that reduces pollution so all diesel trucks here in AU will be off the road food shortages everywhere incoming prices soaring thank you China and merry Christmas.

[ozleeds]

FFS stop attacking each other its a miserable holiday day season stop making it more miserable you have your opinions others have there's end off.
Why is it its fav month in here if it's not me or wtf there be someone else tended to get picked on for what our beliefs and opinions?
And when someone calls it out off we go a merry go round.
Stop this nonsense our club is struggling and we fight amongst each other.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

FFS stop attacking each other its a miserable holiday day season stop making it more miserable you have your opinions others have there's end off.
Why is it its fav month in here if it's not me or wtf there be someone else tended to get picked on for what our beliefs and opinions?
And when someone calls it out off we go a merry go round.
Stop this nonsense our club is struggling and we fight amongst each other.

WTF getting picked on 😆😆😆😆 I think it is a case of reaping what he sows by telling people they are deluded ****WITS or generally insulting them.

If a few people now call his nonsense out well boo hoo - the list of people he has fallen out is longer than the list of Orta’s signings for us.

His recent attacks on MT and Mrs O even though she hasn’t posted for about a year are unbelievable.

He calls people out for being stupid on the basis of ‘facts’ he can’t even be bothered to check. On COVID he is a zealot and has accused anyone who disagrees all sorts - I think I was accused of being like Andrew Wakefield at one point.

I don’t see why he should get away with it and don’t know why you stick up for him for behaving in a manner that causes people to react as they do and call out people for reacting.

He asked for Orgs to stand down as a mod for gods sake - Orgs is one of the politest, most reasonable people out there who does so much to keep the forum going with the prediction leagues.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

You do too CB btw

[ozleeds]

WTF getting picked on �������� I think it is a case of reaping what he sows by telling people they are deluded ****WITS or generally insulting them.

If a few people now call his nonsense out well boo hoo - the list of people he has fallen out is longer than the list of Orta’s signings for us.

His recent attacks on MT and Mrs O even though she hasn’t posted for about a year are unbelievable.

He calls people out for being stupid on the basis of ‘facts’ he can’t even be bothered to check. On COVID he is a zealot and has accused anyone who disagrees all sorts - I think I was accused of being like Andrew Wakefield at one point.

I don’t see why he should get away with it and don’t know why you stick up for him for behaving in a manner that causes people to react as they do and call out people for reacting.

He asked for Orgs to stand down as a mod for gods sake - Orgs is one of the politest, most reasonable people out there who does so much to keep the forum going with the prediction leagues.

Ok, I get that in your opinion WTF is a cnut right so by insulting back and forth you are different?Man most of us are in our 50s and sixties from what I can gather we should be better than that.