Ismael gets his man!

[animallittle3]

No I don’t see the small print.
And neither do you.

The budget is inconsequential.
The main point here is the AGREEMENT.
And Dane repeatedly said an agreement to buy had been made.

Supporters are taking the easy way out if they think that Dike did not sign because he was too expensive for the club.
That is NOT the case.
Because the club specifically said that this was NOT the case.

If Dane had not said - ‘if he is successful then Barnsley has the option of buying him and a fee has been agreed that is within Barnsley’s budget’ - then of course no one would have been any wiser and supporters would have assumed that his value was too expensive for Barnsley to buy.
But this did not happen.

Personally - I think Dane was telling the truth.
But what has happened here is that Barnsley have taken a huge risk with Dike.
Not all risks are successful - an obvious example of that is Obbi.

But the risk with Dike paid off big time - and in no time at all he was being valued at £15m to £20m.
Inside a couple of months managers such as Warnock are describing Dike as the best in the division.

I think the small print has played a part - because of Dikes success - Orlando have found a loophole to haul him back.
And has that had any barring on Danes time at Barnsley?

Because on paper - say an agreement of £3m had been agreed.
Dike has another season with us - I’m sure we wouldn’t be in this position if he was still here.
But we sell him for £15m in the summer.

Barnsley finish the 21/22 season mid table with a profit of £12m in the bank.
Win Win.

But instead of that.
Dike goes back without any explanation whatsoever.
Barnsley are more or less nailed on for relegation.
And Dane Murphy leaves soon after Dike without a single word of thanks from the club.

Tha was pillocked Nudge just accept it because tha's the historical record to prove it with your hysterical twenty posts when we didn't sign Dike .

Tha bought in to these owners lock stock and barrel without acknowledging the luck they had along the way .

To be fair tha not alone although Bill has gone remarkably quiet on this board since October .

Even Cryne couldn't feck 56% of ST holders off to this extent which is the only show in town given he wasn't without serious criticism .

Own it .

[Shadrack the Red]

Dike is a great signing for the Baggies, loved watching him last season & hopefully he does the business & fires them to promotion , I would love Big Val , Mowatt & Dike to have a shot at the big time, we had one of our best seasons in our history last year & these three individuals were key to that , I wish them all the best .

[Arblasterfromthepast]

No I don’t see the small print.
And neither do you.

The budget is inconsequential.
The main point here is the AGREEMENT.
And Dane repeatedly said an agreement to buy had been made.

Supporters are taking the easy way out if they think that Dike did not sign because he was too expensive for the club.
That is NOT the case.
Because the club specifically said that this was NOT the case.

If Dane had not said - ‘if he is successful then Barnsley has the option of buying him and a fee has been agreed that is within Barnsley’s budget’ - then of course no one would have been any wiser and supporters would have assumed that his value was too expensive for Barnsley to buy.
But this did not happen.

Personally - I think Dane was telling the truth.
But what has happened here is that Barnsley have taken a huge risk with Dike.
Not all risks are successful - an obvious example of that is Obbi.

But the risk with Dike paid off big time - and in no time at all he was being valued at £15m to £20m.
Inside a couple of months managers such as Warnock are describing Dike as the best in the division.

I think the small print has played a part - because of Dikes success - Orlando have found a loophole to haul him back.
And has that had any barring on Danes time at Barnsley?

Because on paper - say an agreement of £3m had been agreed.
Dike has another season with us - I’m sure we wouldn’t be in this position if he was still here.
But we sell him for £15m in the summer.

Barnsley finish the 21/22 season mid table with a profit of £12m in the bank.
Win Win.

But instead of that.
Dike goes back without any explanation whatsoever.
Barnsley are more or less nailed on for relegation.
And Dane Murphy leaves soon after Dike without a single word of thanks from the club.

There’s something really fishy about all this. In the summer, Dike was being linked with many clubs including Man United. He was being talked about as a real talent worth in excess of £20M. Yet he returned to Orlando and no other club signed him, which I find extremely odd. So whilst he’s been back in Orlando, has he been putting in outstanding performances and ripping that particular league apart? It’s very odd that only now has he been signed by another club, 6 months on from his spell at Barnsley.
There were very good reasons to believe that we could sign Dike when he first arrived at Barnsley. He came, as a signing that was completely out of the blue and left field. He didn’t appear to have been on the radar of any of our fans. Dike was an unknown quantity when the loan deal was signed. He didn’t appear to have been on the radar or wishlist of any other clubs. So it was possible that we’d got him, under the radar, and that potentially we’d managed to stitch up a contract that would give us the opportunity to buy him, since he appeared to be a relatively unknown quantity. Additionally, Dane also stated a number of times that the opportunity was there to sign him with a transfer fee linked to performances, but no matter how good a performer Dike turned out to be, there was an opportunity to sign him. I believe Dane, I believe he’s honest (which is probably part of the reason he chose to leave). The only fly in the ointment that I could see was that if Dike’s loan contract was based on performances, and he scored a shedload of goals, then the transfer fee might increase substantially, and we may not afford him. However, I still understood from what Dane said, that we had this covered.
So me, Nudge and Dane may have been ‘pillocked’ as you say Animal. I may also be a Luna Lovegood lol. But I suspect it’s probable that we’ve all been taken for a ride. The truth is probably still there with Dane, and we’ll probably never find out what it is. Dane chose to leave, in my opinion, and that’s why he didn’t get a thank you statement from the club. And we can only surmise he reasons for leaving.
But I come back to, and with all due respect to West Brom, why has Dike chosen to join them? Hasn’t he had any other interest shown in him? How have West Brom afforded to pay £15M for him or is the fee largely dependent on them reaching the premier league? Supposedly West Brom were struggling for money at the start of the season (maybe they’ve sold Johnstone?). Why has it taken until now for someone to buy him? Was there something in the loan contract to prevent his sale after a period of time had passed since his return? One thing’s for sure, we should know Dike’s true worth at the end of the season.
Just for SB, Maybe Conway sent Dike back because he already had a ready made replacement for him in Obbi. Tha can’t be too careful signing people wi bad backs.

[SBRed48]

Cheers Animal. Always thought he was way out of our league. What is our record transfer fee paid btw?

This century it is the £1.25 million paid for Herbie Kane, closely followed by the £1.2 million paid for Luke Thomas.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

Dike is a great signing for the Baggies, loved watching him last season & hopefully he does the business & fires them to promotion , I would love Big Val , Mowatt & Dike to have a shot at the big time, we had one of our best seasons in our history last year & these three individuals were key to that , I wish them all the best .

That's true Shadrack and I wish them good luck as well. I hope they get promoted.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

This century it is the £1.25 million paid for Herbie Kane, closely followed by the £1.2 million paid for Luke Thomas.

I thought they were undisclosed? 😂

[SBRed48]

Dike came here on loan during the start of the MLS close season because Murphy had contacts with him and others at Orlando.

If we had gone up to the Premiership we probably would have signed him.

The idea we would sign him if still in the Championship was old pony put abart by the club arseoyles.

[Shadrack the Red]

There’s something really fishy about all this. In the summer, Dike was being linked with many clubs including Man United. He was being talked about as a real talent worth in excess of £20M. Yet he returned to Orlando and no other club signed him, which I find extremely odd. So whilst he’s been back in Orlando, has he been putting in outstanding performances and ripping that particular league apart? It’s very odd that only now has he been signed by another club, 6 months on from his spell at Barnsley.
There were very good reasons to believe that we could sign Dike when he first arrived at Barnsley. He came, as a signing that was completely out of the blue and left field. He didn’t appear to have been on the radar of any of our fans. Dike was an unknown quantity when the loan deal was signed. He didn’t appear to have been on the radar or wishlist of any other clubs. So it was possible that we’d got him, under the radar, and that potentially we’d managed to stitch up a contract that would give us the opportunity to buy him, since he appeared to be a relatively unknown quantity. Additionally, Dane also stated a number of times that the opportunity was there to sign him with a transfer fee linked to performances, but no matter how good a performer Dike turned out to be, there was an opportunity to sign him. I believe Dane, I believe he’s honest (which is probably part of the reason he chose to leave). The only fly in the ointment that I could see was that if Dike’s loan contract was based on performances, and he scored a shedload of goals, then the transfer fee might increase substantially, and we may not afford him. However, I still understood from what Dane said, that we had this covered.
So me, Nudge and Dane may have been ‘pillocked’ as you say Animal. I may also be a Luna Lovegood lol. But I suspect it’s probable that we’ve all been taken for a ride. The truth is probably still there with Dane, and we’ll probably never find out what it is. Dane chose to leave, in my opinion, and that’s why he didn’t get a thank you statement from the club. And we can only surmise he reasons for leaving.
But I come back to, and with all due respect to West Brom, why has Dike chosen to join them? Hasn’t he had any other interest shown in him? How have West Brom afforded to pay £15M for him or is the fee largely dependent on them reaching the premier league? Supposedly West Brom were struggling for money at the start of the season (maybe they’ve sold Johnstone?). Why has it taken until now for someone to buy him? Was there something in the loan contract to prevent his sale after a period of time had passed since his return? One thing’s for sure, we should know Dike’s true worth at the end of the season.
Just for SB, Maybe Conway sent Dike back because he already had a ready made replacement for him in Obbi. Tha can’t be too careful signing people wi bad backs.

I suspect West Brom will be funding the deal with their parachute money , you know the money that is supposed to subsidise the wages after failing in the premier league , I genuinely hope they go up because of the Barnsley connection but while ever these parachute payments are being handed out then the championship is not a level playing field .

[pass_and_move]

Dike came here on loan during the start of the MLS close season because Murphy had contacts with him and others at Orlando.

If we had gone up to the Premiership we probably would have signed him.

The idea we would sign him if still in the Championship was old pony put abart by the club arseoyles.

That sounds about Bob on to me SB.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

Dike came here on loan during the start of the MLS close season because Murphy had contacts with him and others at Orlando.

If we had gone up to the Premiership we probably would have signed him.

The idea we would sign him if still in the Championship was old pony put abart by the club arseoyles.

Possibly you're right SB.

But it's also possible we had an agreement in place with Orlando for many months before Dike arrived at Barnsley, which may well have been on much better terms, because Dike improved over that term than anyone had imagined. And then, due to his Barnsley performances being so good, it led to a fee that Conway wouldn't stump up, even though we and Dane may have seen it as a bargain?