Westminster government

[Returnofrros]

I've come to the conclusion if there is anything at all positive in all this lockdown, mask wearing dictatorship is that the Scottish public might just build up enough opposition to lose the SNP their overall majority. That is about as far as I can see it going but if that scuppers independence then imo something has been gained from all this nonsense.

I want her ooooot.....specifically her....she's the snakes head in all of this unnecessary *******s.

They don't have a majority without the kiddy on greens.

The other parties have to try and work together and rid us of the egomaniac.

[jdfc]

I am quite hopeful that Scottish Labour will make a big return to popularity. That's all that needs to happen is for Labour to aspire to the traditional values of the left and drop the class rhetoric. It's what you stand for that counts and business people will be wanting a worker sympathetic government. SNP are in a difficult spot. Don't think many will be rushing to independence. Don't think the time is right for Indyref2. So what do you do?
As Rross has said what happens if England sails on as they are, with similar disease outcomes as ourselves. Live with it. That does not suit the SNP and Welsh with their morally superior approach.
A couple of more weeks and it should be clear if we have been lied to and the chief mouthpiece might reap a very quick fall from grace.
Interesting times!

If they can stop bowing to the snowflakes they might have a chance, get back to representing the white hetero***ual male/female and the working class

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If they can stop bowing to the snowflakes they might have a chance, get back to representing the white hetero***ual male/female and the working class

Well for one thing that comment's extremely narrow minded and focussed, Labour needs to further extend its policies beyond those designed to benefit the 'working class' only as the SNP (and Tories down south) are going to win every time with their more general nationalistic, almost racist in the case of Tories, policies.

Does the working class even exist now? Unions, formed to help and support oppressed workers back in history, have no authority for example because the idea of their type of communism just doesn't fit a modern society where individuals want to thrive and to hell with the collective.

[jdfc]

Well for one thing that comment's extremely narrow minded and focussed, Labour needs to further extend its policies beyond those designed to benefit the 'working class' only as the SNP (and Tories down south) are going to win every time with their more general nationalistic, almost racist in the case of Tories, policies.

Does the working class even exist now? Unions, formed to help and support oppressed workers back in history, have no authority for example because the idea of their type of communism just doesn't fit a modern society where individuals want to thrive and to hell with the collective.

Of course the working class still exist, maybe in a different guise due to better pay and conditions fought for by unions, what we need is a party that stands for equality for all, not what we have now, being black or gay puts you further up the line just so it ticks boxes, people are losing out on jobs and income just to appease a minority, it ain’t right, it should always be the best person gets the job

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If course the working class still exist, maybe in a different guise due to better pay and conditions fought for by unions,

Union never got me better pay and conditions. I had to break free of the union to get the improvements to terms I wanted.

I remember being at a union meeting where flexibility payments that were being offered by the company were being discussed - idea was you trained and had an additional skill to offer the company so your flexibility and use to the company increased. Basically encouraging self development. You would get a percentage on top of your basic just for doing the training even if you never actually worked with your new skill. 'Cracking idea' I hear you say.

One old union dinosaur announced that unless everybody got the bonus then nobody should get it; saw nothing wrong with me putting in the effort and him and his communist mates reaping the benefit. The motion that passed meant flexibility payments never happened, company quite rightly withdrew the offer.

I went to the Shop Steward the next day and told him to shove his union then went straight to management and offered to do some additional training for no financial benefit. I did the training and a new position was created for me that gave me a 15% uplift in basic salary, private health care and enough flexibility to have as much OT as I wanted. I never looked back from telling the union to do one.

Good old unions, ****ing over the members since the 1850s.

[jdfc]

Union never got me better pay and conditions. I had to break free of the union to get the improvements to terms I wanted.

I remember being at a union meeting where flexibility payments that were being offered by the company were being discussed - idea was you trained and had an additional skill to offer the company so your flexibility and use to the company increased. Basically encouraging self development. You would get a percentage on top of your basic just for doing the training even if you never actually worked with your new skill. 'Cracking idea' I hear you say.

One old union dinosaur announced that unless everybody got the bonus then nobody should get it; saw nothing wrong with me putting in the effort and him and his communist mates reaping the benefit. The motion that passed meant flexibility payments never happened, company quite rightly withdrew the offer.

I went to the Shop Steward the next day and told him to shove his union then went straight to management and offered to do some additional training for no financial benefit. I did the training and a new position was created for me that gave me a 15% uplift in basic salary, private health care and enough flexibility to have as much OT as I wanted. I never looked back from telling the union to do one.

Good old unions, ****ing over the members since the 1850s.

Your union sounds like something from the 60’s/70’s even early 80’s, thank god it’s not like that now

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Your union sounds like something from the 60’s/70’s even early 80’s, thank god it’s not like that now

Not my union, left them in my wake years ago.

That happened in early / mid 2000s at a company where management were very good with employees. The union had only just got in after a vote and a lot of the employees were ex Timex and militant to the core.

[BCram]

Your union sounds like something from the 60’s/70’s even early 80’s, thank god it’s not like that now

jdfc, I have no practical experience of a trade union and reading the posts here there seems to be Deeranged point of view where they are useless and a more moderate support from them by you. What can unions do to help Labour but not nationalism. Genuine question.

[Returnofrros]

jdfc, I have no practical experience of a trade union and reading the posts here there seems to be Deeranged point of view where they are useless and a more moderate support from them by you. What can unions do to help Labour but not nationalism. Genuine question.

Support the majority, not every minority group under the sun.

Stop seeing everything through the prism of race, gender and ***uality.

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Support the majority, not every minority group under the sun.

Stop seeing everything through the prism of race, gender and ***uality.

Agree