Just wondering what you'd do if you caught covid from someone who is vaccinated? Seems way more likelyOriginally Posted by Old_pie
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Just wondering what you'd do if you caught covid from someone who is vaccinated? Seems way more likely
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We're talking about NHS staff here who have a duty of care to their patients. If they had taken all reasonable and available steps to be safe then I have nothing I can sue them for. If they failed to take all reasonable and available steps then in my view they would have acted negligently. If they won't take the reasonable and available steps they should move out of patient facing work.
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Fair enough Old Pie, I see your point.
This is however what I feared could happen, a polarised and highly emotive subject, as with Brexit, that divides people and communities.
In my eyes to even think to sue someone who didn't take the vaccine is crazy. These people also have a duty of care for their own body & health, and if they believe the vaccine for whatever reasons doesn't sit right, then surely they have the right to take that choice.
I'm sure there were lots of people out there that had the vaccines, but didn't act responsibly and spread covid. Just as there were probably lots of people that didn't take the vaccine, that took all reasonable precautions (in their eyes) to act in a responsible manner.
It's not a black and white picture, so we should try to see the nuances on both sides (and that includes me seeing where you are coming from!). Many of these staff were applauded for working through the most difficult parts of this pandemic, and are now being put under a lot of pressure, and pilloried for making a different choice.
The data coming out at the moment (as shown in the relaxing of guidelines & rules) is suggesting that covid may just become something we learn to live with, as with the flu. So if a very high percentage of adults have been vaccinated, and/or carry natural immunity, why do we have to attack the small percentage that chose a different path, and that may not actually be causing any harm to anyone?
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After vaccines became available ( I presume you're not waiting for the government mandate to come into effect to keep yourself safe? ) have you carried a card or told your relatives that - so that if you had the misfortune to suffer a heart attack or be bleeding to death after a nasty DIY accident - you would refuse treatment from an unvaccinated first responder/ nurse/ surgeon. Obviously you would not want to catch COVID off them in that situation and would be happy to wait for the next paramedic or on-call surgeon.
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Question: You end up bleeding to death and you have a choice of being treated by vaccinated or unvaccinated - presumably you don't care which.
Answer to your question - I've told my wife to sue any hospital that causes a deterioration in my condition due to any action they have failed to take to optimise my care. Whether that's Hep B, Covid or leaving a lump of plastic inside me doesn't matter.
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You are flogging a dead horse here my friend, they are nailed into BBC and Guardian.
Interesting figures from Ontario Canada (figs can change on a daily basis)
In hospital but not the ICU
Unvaccinated cases = 770
Partially vaccinated cases = 174
Fully vaccinated cases = 2044
In hospital on ICU
Unvaccinated cases = 185
Partially vaccinated cases = 18
Fully vaccinated cases = 224
On the 14 January 2022
Cases (figs worked out from graph in link)
Unvaccinated cases = 1458
Partially vaccinated cases = 365
Fully vaccinated cases = 8518
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#ncf
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What percentage of those unvaccinated cases are in hospital for reasons other than COVID, e.g. Broken leg, appendicitis, operations, etc. You haven't told us how many are there solely for COVID.
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A quick analysis from The Guardian a few days ago...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/what-do-we-know-about-people-who-died-covid-uk
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