O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[magpie_mania]

The whole Covid narrative is collapsing and has been for several weeks now. I don't need to argue about that, just look around you. I'm not celebrating however. As somebody put it, "Covid wasn't the emergency, it's revealed the emergency". God knows what's coming next.

Well in a time of pandemic when our leaders need to have their finger all the time on the pulse, it seems to me that their eyes are only on Sue Gray's report.

[BigFatPie]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...t-pushed-back/

Wow, wish I was as good at predicting Notts results.

Tories like getting rid of healthcare workers, but not for a daft reason like refusing to get a vaccine that would make themselves and their patients safer.

[SaltySeaDog]

Do those posters who oppose the requirement for NHS staff to be vaccinated against covid also oppose the requirement to be vaccinated against Hepatitis B if undertaking exposure-prone procedures?

I think the major differences here Cher are that one is an actual vaccine, i.e if you have the vaccine then you cannot catch or spread this certain disease. Plus regular vaccines have longitudinal studies of 10 years + to evaluate long term side effects and safety.

Obviously we have just been through quite a unique situation, requiring unique responses. But there are very valid reasons for people not wanting to be jabbed

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Well in a time of pandemic when our leaders need to have their finger all the time on the pulse, it seems to me that their eyes are only on Sue Gray's report.

Has Boris finished writing Sue Grays report for her yet.?

[cher1]

I think the major differences here Cher are that one is an actual vaccine, i.e if you have the vaccine then you cannot catch or spread this certain disease. Plus regular vaccines have longitudinal studies of 10 years + to evaluate long term side effects and safety.

Obviously we have just been through quite a unique situation, requiring unique responses. But there are very valid reasons for people not wanting to be jabbed

Surely they are both vaccines? The covid one is dealing with a rapidly mutating virus, so may need modifying from time to time in the same way the flu vaccine is, and may not offer complete protection. But it does offer significant protection.

The Hep B vaccine doesn't offer complete protection, particularly as people get older.

I take your point about length of studies, although that was mitigated against by the number of concurrent studies that went in across the world, which is unusual in vaccine testing.

Let's hope that the virus continues to weaken and that this all becomes a moot point eh.

[sidders]

Has Boris finished writing Sue Grays report for her yet.?

He doesn't need to, Pedro. It will be so anodyne that it won't alter things one jot.

[SaltySeaDog]

Surely they are both vaccines? The covid one is dealing with a rapidly mutating virus, so may need modifying from time to time in the same way the flu vaccine is, and may not offer complete protection. But it does offer significant protection.

The Hep B vaccine doesn't offer complete protection, particularly as people get older.

I take your point about length of studies, although that was mitigated against by the number of concurrent studies that went in across the world, which is unusual in vaccine testing.

Let's hope that the virus continues to weaken and that this all becomes a moot point eh.

It could indeed be called a vaccine now, as the definition of what a vaccine is was officially changed last year. And yes the data and number of studies for this particular intervention is unprecedented, but cannot mitigate for a longitudinal study, as only time can give that reassurance.

But drastic measures were needed, so I get why something had to be done quickly.

I totally agree though. I really hope we can all move on from this soon enough.

[Maggie's Farm]

and what do cr@p leaders do when their polls are underwater? (all of 'em: Putin, Biden, BoJo)

sorry, Ukraine. wrong time, wrong place

[magpie_mania]

He doesn't need to, Pedro. It will be so anodyne that it won't alter things one jot.

Will there be a party to celebrate the PM's exonoration?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

He doesn't need to, Pedro. It will be so anodyne that it won't alter things one jot.

Do you think she will have to go back and do another report , one that will also include his Birthday party now.!? Rumour has it nobody told him it was his Birthday though !