OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

MA was for taking the politics out of what was, once upon a time, a free trade area.

FTA yes, US of E no.

Yes indeed. The dream that was sold to us in 1972
It still baffles me today, as to why folks think there is a need for a European commission/assembly/ECJ/carving up of direct payments/one currency, to have such an arrangement.

But when a dream of a federal USE has to have them, to push that band wagon along

[ramAnag]

To the best of my knowledge, of regular posters

Swale - Remain
rA - Remain
GP - Remain
AF - Remain
MA - Not entitled?
TTR - Leave

Just to help you with the maths, thats 4-1 Remain

Sorry to rub it in

So, as suggested, that’s not ‘everyone’ then is it?

Furthermore...you and GP have been particularly half hearted supporters of Brexit ever since the Referendum.

[Andy_Faber]

So, as suggested, that’s not ‘everyone’ then is it?

Furthermore...you and GP have been particularly half hearted supporters of Brexit ever since the Referendum.

Correct rA, I wrote 'all' when I should have written 'almost all'. My error, albeit a minor one

But I was responding to Swale, who wrote 'Not even all of those who regulary post voted remain' Factually and significantly wrong.

So why was your first (and sadly, i'm guessing, only) thought to try to put me right?

My response was/is the opposite of halfhearted,I've stressed any number of times a) I voted Remain, b) Remain 'lost', c) I'm not and was never in denial about the result which I assessed in my amateur way (like we all) that there would be more negatives than positives and therefore d) I'd contribute wholeheartedly where I could to making the bestof our new national 'adventure'. I've also e) repeatedly called out those in denial/bitter about the outcome

[ramAnag]

Correct rA, I wrote 'all' when I should have written 'almost all'. My error, albeit a minor one

But I was responding to Swale, who wrote 'Not even all of those who regulary post voted remain' Factually and significantly wrong.

So why was your first (and sadly, i'm guessing, only) thought to try to put me right?

How is Swale ‘factually and significantly wrong’?
It really doesn’t matter...I just find it interesting that you can’t let anything Swale writes go and even last week allowed a GP ‘slur’ (albeit quite a funny one) about Tricky’s Thai ‘adventures’ to go completely uncommented upon when you’d probably have been threatening Swale with all sorts of bans had he made the same comment.

For the record...Swale suggested (and I agreed) that ‘not even all those who regularly post voted remain'. That is true...Tricky certainly didn’t, MA - who’s view I completely understand - couldn’t. That means that, ‘not even all those who regularly post voted remain’ and therefore Swale is not ‘factually and significantly wrong’.

As I said...it’s actually not very important to me and Swale is more than capable of fighting his own battles, but I really don’t know why you’re having such difficulty with being wrong.

[Andy_Faber]

I just find it interesting that you can’t let anything Swale writes go and even last week allowed a GP ‘slur’ (albeit quite a funny one) about Tricky’s Thai ‘adventures’ to go completely uncommented upon when you’d probably have been threatening Swale with all sorts of bans had he made the same comment.

Because, as you indicate, GP's comment was 'funny', and as mod I assessed that it would be taken by TTR as (that famous phrase) just a bit of joshing, so took no action. Swale has been on the subject repeatedly and, again in my assessment, pointedly, so I took action. As it happens I've spoken to TTR about it and as a result I willwait for him to complain in future.

What you don't see rA are complaints about forum members which I've taken no action on when maybe I should including a number who've since left the forum or gone permanently silent after those complaints

[ramAnag]

Because, as you indicate, GP's comment was 'funny', and as mod I assessed that it would be taken by TTR as (that famous phrase) just a bit of joshing, so took no action. Swale has been on the subject repeatedly and, again in my assessment, pointedly, so I took action. As it happens I've spoken to TTR about it and as a result I willwait for him to complain in future.

What you don't see rA are complaints about forum members which I've taken no action on when maybe I should including a number who've since left the forum or gone permanently silent after those complaints

Fair enough. Your opinion...none of it really remotely relevant to why Swale (or I...by implication) were ‘factually and significantly wrong’.

[swaledale]

But I was responding to Swale, who wrote 'Not even all of those who regularly post voted remain' Factually and significantly wrong.

I'm intrigued AF, how is the above statement "factually and significantly wrong"?

[Andy_Faber]

Yet again trying to take some of the partisan nature out of this discussion: someone a few days ago asked if any of us had seen ANY positives from Brexit. Here’s a small (as most will be) success story, and actually it is from rA’s manor, Derbyshire Dales (just). We spent a great evening at an independent pub/restaurant (part of a ‘chain’ of three) which was bloody heaving inside and out despite the poor weather. We got talking to the manager who was full of praise for the staff, all but one from the local village ‘born and bred’ and compared their impact favourably with the predominantly Eastern European staff he employed pre Brexit. Less likely to job hop for 5p per hour rises elsewhere, ate/drank in the pub when not on shift, dragged in significant family and friends, and many lifelong acquaintanceships between them created a ‘team spirit’ that pervaded the pub and its clientele. Significant also has been less squabbles about tips. The manager reported big increase in takings although he did say that might be partly Covid savings being burned off. Just to even it up a bit he confirmed waste disposal has been a nightmare…

[Geoff Parkstone]

Not sure that's a success of Brexit Andy. more a reflection of his poor previous choice to lowball his weekly wage bill pre Brexit by using cheaper EU staff! Had he just employed local staff to start with, Brexit would have had no impact

[swaledale]

Yet again trying to take some of the partisan nature out of this discussion: someone a few days ago asked if any of us had seen ANY positives from Brexit. Here’s a small (as most will be) success story, and actually it is from rA’s manor, Derbyshire Dales (just). We spent a great evening at an independent pub/restaurant (part of a ‘chain’ of three) which was bloody heaving inside and out despite the poor weather. We got talking to the manager who was full of praise for the staff, all but one from the local village ‘born and bred’ and compared their impact favourably with the predominantly Eastern European staff he employed pre Brexit. Less likely to job hop for 5p per hour rises elsewhere, ate/drank in the pub when not on shift, dragged in significant family and friends, and many lifelong acquaintanceships between them created a ‘team spirit’ that pervaded the pub and its clientele. Significant also has been less squabbles about tips. The manager reported big increase in takings although he did say that might be partly Covid savings being burned off. Just to even it up a bit he confirmed waste disposal has been a nightmare…

Ah so not able to answer the question posed by rA and myself then? par for the course make a statement that clearly isn't true, then avoid explaining why you thought it was!

Of course if you can confidently post stuff that is so obviously incorrect, that does beg the question as to how factually correct your other posts are.

As for your anecdotal story, again not sure how thats a benefit of Brexit, presumably the landlord could have employed local people before?

I can provide an equally anecdotal story about when I helped a guy set up a factory near Barnsley, with the aim of providing skilled well paid jobs for redundant miners. Despite his best efforts to employ local people, the workforce ended up being 55% non UK, because in his words, they were the most reliable and wanted to work and develop their skills.