O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[TheBlackHorse]

... thing is ... at least our imperfect democracy enables us to vote for change even though the options are not worth a candle. However, rather that than the EUSSR, don't you think? Hence the need for radical change. Wherefore art' though Guy Fawkes ... perhaps a combination of Lord Frosty and Dominic (the Machiavelian with the knife) ...

[sidders]

... thing is ... at least our imperfect democracy enables us to vote for change even though the options are not worth a candle. However, rather that than the EUSSR, don't you think? Hence the need for radical change. Wherefore art' though Guy Fawkes ... perhaps a combination of Lord Frosty and Dominic (the Machiavelian with the knife) ...

I can't think of a worse team although one of my (ex) mates coming off the Walking Football floor said to me 'I think Rees-Mogg would make the best PM now.' 'Have intercourse elsewhere' I advised him.
Starmer remains the best option with Rayner, Nandy, Phillips, Reeves, Milliband and Lammy providing back-up.

[BanjoPie]

i can't think of a worse team although one of my (ex) mates coming off the walking football floor said to me 'i think rees-mogg would make the best pm now.' 'have intercourse elsewhere' i advised him.
Starmer remains the best option with rayner, nandy, phillips, reeves, milliband and lammy providing back-up.

"just fell off me chair laughing"

[sidders]

"just fell off me chair laughing"

I understand where you're coming from, Banjo. I mean, Rees Mogg as PM!

[OP67]

starmer remains the best option with potty mouth rayner, nandy, phillips, reeves, milliband and lammy providing back-up.

That made me chuckle loads

[jackal2]

Starmer remains the best option with Rayner, Nandy, Phillips, Reeves, Milliband and Lammy providing back-up.

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

[sidders]

Irrespective of their political views I've got a grudging regard for the abilities of Nandy and Phillips, but the rest of them have nothing to offer. For a man who wants to portray himself as a man of political principle and integrity, Starmer spent a hell of a long time serving in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet despite having made it very clear since that he didn't agree with the direction Corbyn was taking the party.

One thing I can assure you, J2, is that there will be plenty in the present cabinet lusting for power and slagging off their current leader in time to come.
Because he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet never meant Starmer agreed with his leader lock, stock and barrel. By taking on a shadow cabinet role he was in a learning capacity and positioning himself for a chance of leadership. It's not pretty but it's politics.

[jackal2]

One thing I can assure you, J2, is that there will be plenty in the present cabinet lusting for power and slagging off their current leader in time to come.

Because he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet never meant Starmer agreed with his leader lock, stock and barrel. By taking on a shadow cabinet role he was in a learning capacity and positioning himself for a chance of leadership. It's not pretty but it's politics.

I don't disagree with you, and I'm sure Keir Starmer's explanation would be exactly as you've described if the media ever challenged him on the matter, but this is why politics generally is in such a vacuous state. Ask most of them (in all of the major parties) these days to identify the core political principles and beliefs they wouldn't be willing to sacrifice under any circumstances, and you would get a blank look or even a smirk.