OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I cannot give you any positives as its way too early to count the scores on the doors. There were always going to be up front teething problems but whether, longer term, they have any traction, its way to early to tell. Also how do you measure the feel good factor arising from being out from underneath the EU longer term vision and unification?

I don't doubt there will be those disappointed by not seeing tighter border control, the expulsion of Eastern Europeans and the "we've got our jobs back" (NB that we don't want to do for those wages) and thus there will be disappointed brexiteers who believed the marketing BS such as the bus, but for those of us that are aligning our hopes on the longer term freedom from EU rule, we will just have to wait. We could be dead before we "see" these benefits, if indeed we ever do

I genuinely and honestly don’t recognise what you’re saying about being ‘underneath’ the EU and ‘freedom from EU rule’.
All the European countries I’ve visited have retained their own identities and as for ourselves...we had, even as EU members, our own currency, continued to drive on the left, measured our distance in miles and our expanding waists and collar sizes in inches.
Personally I’m happy to consider myself a ‘European’ because, factually, that’s exactly what I am and, having visited at least seven European countries in the last few years, I wouldn’t have any difficulty identifying any one of them by virtue of their architecture, customs, food, language etc.
So sorry, we disagree again. In no way am I describing the EU as Utopia and I understand some of MA’s reasoned misgivings, but honestly...what have you been freed from...what are you no longer ‘underneath’ since Brexit, because all I feel is alienation, inconvenience and as if our country has become just a bit of a laughing stock.

[swaledale]

You really are a poor excuse for a human being closet racist.
Do you really believe that anyone takes a blind bit of notice of your rants?
They are akin to a Hitler speech from Nurnberg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o

Speaking as the guy who has posted endless xenophobic, racist bigoted crap on here, I think the pot calling the kettle is apt here.

You really are such a dumbass, and as such no I realised long ago, having pointlessly tried to debate issues with you, that you ahve absolutely no clue about reality, your views and ideas are guided by utterly discredited sources. Like those moronic trump supporters, your so far down a rabbit hole of lies and deception, you wouldn't recognise facts or truth if it hit you in the face.

There are some people who make one ashamed to admit being British, scum like you area prime example, but its your utter stupidity and your willingness to post your views which show you to be so dumb its unbelievable, clearly a chap with no ****ing clue at all and they allow cretins like you to vote! Jeeze what a moron you are, now **** off!

[swaledale]

It will continue to influence all of those aspects for many years to come rA, but not necessarily long term for the worse. Time will be the judge of the efficacy of Brexit, not you and Swale points scoring after 15 months, mudded by adding COVID into the equation. I genuinely don't know how it will pan out: the two of you doom mongers might be proven right. But for those of us taking a more measured perspective. who knows.

Its already claer how its going to pan out - this government of fools are taking the country down the route of low regulation, low taxes in a desperate attempt to be "competitive", talking of a Indo- pacific tilt, when the trade deals they are negotiating are fractions of a percentage of the value of the trade we ahve with the EU.

Yes it may have been logical to remove ourselves from the political ramifications of the EU, though at least when we were in the tent, we had influence and a veto, but to voluntarily exit the single market and customs union and put barriers and costs on exports to our nearest trading partners was economic lunacy and thats costing a minimum of £400 million per week to the UK economy.

I mean, you might be able to be sanguine as the futures of our children are squandered on false ideology but some of us will continue to call out the issues and there is over half of the voting population in this country who think the same.

Economic reality will force us back into the single market and customs union within a decade, sooner if we get a government that actually recognises whats best for the UK as whole instead of pandering to the thick xenophobes!

[Andy_Faber]

I suspect the truth is that both AF and GP would like the Brexit thread to ‘disappear’

Au contraire, at least in my case, it continues to provide an interesting set of personal perspectives on the same issue.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Au contraire, at least in my case, it continues to provide an interesting set of personal perspectives on the same issue.

I'm not bothered tbh. I have the capacity to ignore it. It's a bit like Jeremy Corbyn or Nigel Farage.. a lot of *******s is spoken in its name, but I don't need to listen

[ramAnag]

Au contraire, at least in my case, it continues to provide an interesting set of personal perspectives on the same issue.

Honestly? ‘An interesting set of personal perspectives?’
That’ll be why you once (at least) suggested taking the thread down, and why you are repeatedly so dismissive and disrespectful towards those who continue to question the ‘wisdom’ of Brexit then.

[Andy_Faber]

Honestly? ‘An interesting set of personal perspectives?’
That’ll be why you once (at least) suggested taking the thread down, and why you are repeatedly so dismissive and disrespectful towards those who continue to question the ‘wisdom’ of Brexit then.

I'm seriously considering closing all the 'putting the world to rights' threads, I can't think of any other way of avoiding posts such as #7932

[Geoff Parkstone]

This is true AF, can't even blame the demon booze as 7 minutes later post 7933 is reserved and non abusive

[ramAnag]

I'm seriously considering closing all the 'putting the world to rights' threads, I can't think of any other way of avoiding posts such as #7932

But you’ve since described them, or at least one of them, as an ‘interesting set of personal perspectives’...and you’re already armed with the ability to censor those who you consider to have overstepped the mark.
Wouldn’t have thought it was up to you to decide what can or cannot be debated.

[Andy_Faber]

Wouldn’t have thought it was up to you to decide what can or cannot be debated.

'You really are such a dumbass, scum like you, clearly a chap with no ****ing clue at all, Jeeze what a moron you are, now **** off!'

Is not debate