Should he stay...or should he go now?

[ramAnag]

Not semantics, just a fact on a per capita basis. I'll take a lesson on geography, some of these may not be Europe but on a per capita basis UK has a lower death rate than Bulgaria, Boznia/Herzegovina, Hungary, North Macedonia, Georgia, Moldova, Chechia, Croatia, Slovakia, Rumania, Lithuania, Slovenia, Poland, Latvia, Belgium, Italy and Ukraine and its actually 19th not 16th. Tragic as every death is, absolute numbers are irrelevant as a measure of success in managing the pandemic, size has to be recognised

You have a point. We do have the highest Covid figures in Europe, as I have always maintained, but not on a per capita basis as you correctly point out.
On the other hand most of the countries you mention are part of the old ‘Eastern Europe’. I haven’t checked your figures but perhaps if we consider those countries not on the list you have provided eg...Germany, France, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria...i.e. virtually all the major Western European nations...you’ll recognise the need to abandon any complacency.

So...highest/greatest number of deaths related to Covid in Europe? Correct...but not on a per capita basis which, to my mind, remains hardly a cause for celebration.

[Andy_Faber]

You have a point. We do have the highest Covid figures in Europe, as I have always maintained, but not on a per capita basis as you correctly point out.
On the other hand most of the countries you mention are part of the old ‘Eastern Europe’. I haven’t checked your figures but perhaps if we consider those countries not on the list you have provided eg...Germany, France, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria...i.e. virtually all the major Western European nations...you’ll recognise the need to abandon any complacency.

So...highest/greatest number of deaths related to Covid in Europe? Correct...but not on a per capita basis which, to my mind, remains hardly a cause for celebration.

Not celebrating any of it RA, just clarifying. It’s a wider point as well, this discussion is just between (supposed) friends, but in the (supposed) professional media there is too much of this unfounded, out of context i fact checked stuff

[ramAnag]

Not celebrating any of it RA, just clarifying. It’s a wider point as well, this discussion is just between (supposed) friends, but in the (supposed) professional media there is too much of this unfounded, out of context i fact checked stuff

It’s hardly unfounded, Andy...and you are resorting to semantics. We do have the HIGHEST Covid related death rate in Europe...that is a fact.

If you want to define WORST by associating it only on a per capita basis that’s a reasonable point, but when you do so by then having to compare us with largely Eastern European countries that have an ongoing history of being much less wealthy and established than ourselves you lose some of the credibility of you argument.

To be clear...we have the HIGHEST Covid related death rate in Europe...the seventh HIGHEST in the World and even on a strictly per capita basis we are amongst the WORST in Europe and the third WORST of the comparable old EU countries.

At a time when our beleaguered Prime Minister and his paralysed Government are constantly defending themselves by repeatedly saying ‘look how well we got you through the pandemic’ forgive me for thinking of this as yet another Johnson perpetuated myth.

P.S. rA rA land...LOL! But when was the last time we had to compare ourselves to ‘majestic’ North Macedonia and which bit of the above is a ‘bent out of shape statistic’, GP?

P.P.S. Seems there may not be any more Downing Street Parties anyway...they’ve all bu**ered off.