O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

I'll get more sense out of the pigeons on the next thread

Sadly...I rest my case.

[Andy_Faber]

I will give a comprehensive answer when my eyes are working properly, but for now the difference between examples is chalk and cheese. My "sample"/observation was across three ethnic groups examining different behavioural practices in order to postulate upon whether there was a cause effect identifiable.

Yours just looked at behaviours of one ethnic group and so are useless for evaluating differences based on ethnicities.

Your observation can validly be compared to my white only data and will allow an enhanced perspective on the behavioural aspects of that cohort, but it adds nothing to the evaluation of comparative behaviours between the sub sets.

Does this help - because I think it's what all 3 of us have been trying to explain to you for about 5 ot 6 pages now! (Well maybe not TTR, as he's ploughing his own furrow)

Exactly what I’ve been driving at

[ramAnag]

Exactly what I’ve been driving at

But yet again...no answer.
So...why and how is GP’s anecdote from a train in Croydon any more indicative of anything relating to mask wearing in relation to ethnicity than my own based on observations in the club shop at Pride Park?

I’m honestly fascinated to hear the explanation.

[Andy_Faber]

But yet again...no answer.
So...why and how is GP’s anecdote from a train in Croydon any more indicative of anything relating to mask wearing in relation to ethnicity than my own based on observations in the club shop at Pride Park?

I’m honestly fascinated to hear the explanation.

Geoff's "sample"/observation was across three ethnic groups examining different behavioural practices in order to postulate upon whether there was a cause effect identifiable.

Yours just looked at behaviours of one ethnic group and so are useless for evaluating differences based on ethnicities.

Your observation can validly be compared to Geoff's white only data and will allow an enhanced perspective on the behavioural aspects of that cohort, but it adds nothing to the evaluation of comparative behaviours between the sub sets.

OK?

I really couldn't put it better than Geoff did. My guess from reading Geoff's post is that he comes from roughly the same business discipline as myself, and I'd expect us to not only make the same observations on his sample, but to also identify and highlight the shortcomings in your attempt to respond to them. As I said yesterday this has gone beyond any BAME/ethnicity issue and into basic understanding of concepts.

[ramAnag]

Geoff's "sample"/observation was across three ethnic groups examining different behavioural practices in order to postulate upon whether there was a cause effect identifiable.

Yours just looked at behaviours of one ethnic group and so are useless for evaluating differences based on ethnicities.

Your observation can validly be compared to Geoff's white only data and will allow an enhanced perspective on the behavioural aspects of that cohort, but it adds nothing to the evaluation of comparative behaviours between the sub sets.

OK?

I really couldn't put it better than Geoff did. My guess from reading Geoff's post is that he comes from roughly the same business discipline as myself, and I'd expect us to not only make the same observations on his sample, but to also identify and highlight the shortcomings in your attempt to respond to them. As I said yesterday this has gone beyond any BAME/ethnicity issue and into basic understanding of concepts.

Sorry Andy but that makes no more sense than your ornithological observation on the Pigeons thread which is utter bollux.

I’m much more knowledgeable about ornithology than ‘business discipline’ but then this argument is about neither is it?

To someone who prides themselves on their forensic strengths it may be worth pointing out that GP doesn’t identify just three ethnic groups. He refers to black, mixed race, Asian and white, but we’ll let that pass for a moment.

My observations of the entirely white population of the DCFC store are just as valid in terms of evaluating the differences between ethnicities.

GP may have identified four ethnic groups amongst the 200 people on his train but his comment about the disturbingly low compliance amongst the black passengers is stand alone. It has no dependency upon the various ethnicities amongst the other passengers.

Likewise my comment about a similarly low level of compliance amongst the white people in the DCFC store is equally stand alone.

Can’t disagree about one thing. You said ‘you couldn’t put it better than Geoff did’...and you haven’t.
Ultimately you seem to be suggesting that, had I described the customers in the DCFC store as 80% white, 5% Asian and 15% black (which wouldn’t have been true) then that would have validated the comparison and somehow made my comment about the white customers non compliance more relevant...and that seems to me to be utter nonsense.

[swaledale]

Agree with all that Swale, but having had my intelligence, numeracy skills and ability to comprehend challenged by two who are no better equipped and one who seems considerably less able I sought to set the record straight.
It is your ‘essence of the argument’ point in your second paragraph that I am in fundamental disagreement with where GP and Andy are concerned. There is no need, imo, for samples to contain the same racial mix precisely because the behaviour of all the ethnic subsets referred to are being measured entirely independently.

I fear the words dead equine flogging come to mind!

As for expecting an answer to a question I'm still waiting. beyond accusing me of "squirming" AF has remained silent, but then I expect that whenever I pose a question in a rational manner.

[ramAnag]

I fear the words dead equine flogging come to mind!

As for expecting an answer to a question I'm still waiting. beyond accusing me of "squirming" AF has remained silent, but then I expect that whenever I pose a question in a rational manner.

Yep...they’re not very good when challenged are they...and as for the Blackbird/Crow thing...don’t even go there. Just abject nonsense.

[Andy_Faber]

Yep...they’re not very good when challenged are they...and as for the Blackbird/Crow thing...don’t even go there. Just abject nonsense.

Lol at that, of course it was, just a bit of lightheartedness on a relatively lighthearted thread. I’m amazed you spend so much time defending those with different cultures to you when you belittle someone with something as benign as a different sense of humour.

[MadAmster]

I'm still wondering why it's called a blackbird when the female of the species is a rather boring brown in colour......

[ramAnag]

Lol at that, of course it was, just a bit of lightheartedness on a relatively lighthearted thread. I’m amazed you spend so much time defending those with different cultures to you when you belittle someone with something as benign as a different sense of humour.

Okay...the return to the ‘I was just joshing’ routine rather than the...yep, I’ll put my hand up to that one and I was hopelessly wrong.

As for the second point...I wasn’t seeking to belittle you I was simply retaliating. Your attitude throughout the futile argument of the last few days has been arrogant, patronising and boorish. I was simply giving you a taste of your own medicine and pointing out the irony of forensic Faber getting his facts so completely wrong...something you continually do to others, particularly those you regularly disagree with.

As regards the last bit...it’s curious that you interpret my stance as ‘defending those with different cultures’. That’s not what I’ve been doing. My only conclusion has been that, on the evidence of what I have seen, there is little to choose between how different ethnicities observe mask wearing protocol.

As for the ‘different sense of humour’. Only one problem with that...your Crow/Blackbird ‘joke’...it wasn’t funny...you’d just made a mistake and, as Swale has already pointed out, confused Blackbirds and Rooks.