O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[Maggie's Farm]

I should imagine that's true, but the Western side need to be careful with some of their rhetoric too, because an angry, isolated, humiliated Putin backed completely into a corner isn't good. They have to leave Putin an avenue out of the current situation that does not look like outright defeat, otherwise he's capable of anything in desperation.

while leaving him an 'out' makes basic psyche sense, I think things are well beyond that and I'm not sure what 'a corner' is in this context. if what I'm reading about Putin's state of mind is anything to go by, he's already desperate to make his mark and seeing as he's already capable of unilateral war, I think all of the cards are already on the table.

it's more dangerous try and appease him at this stage, he'll just take it as a sign of weakness and press on with his game plan. I think we have to prepare to either make do with sanctions and accept the consequences of not stopping him, or stop him: presenting some kind of military opposition.

[jackal2]

I actually think he is sick(ill) not long to live, (got very fat in the face) & wants to be remembered by history.

His face is definitely looking more bloated. That could be any number of conditions ranging from trivial to serious, but yes to someone as health/fitness and image-conscious as him, it's a possible source of concern.

[Maggie's Farm]

He has a way out, stop & talk but he is too pig headed & even then look like a loser to most. He has dug himself a hole that he can't get out of. that's the worrying thing.
I actually think he is sick(ill) not long to live, (got very fat in the face) & wants to be remembered by history.

agree.

[irishpete]

To think some people were happy to have Corbyn and Abbott in charge, the mind boggles.

Heard this morning either SKY or BBC that some Labour back benches put their names to a statement that they thought Putin was doing no wrong last week. Someone my know better than what I heard

[irishpete]

Can't believe the Ukraines haven't used drones on the massive convoy as they already have elsewhere

[Maggie's Farm]

as much as I think most right wing politics/politicians are ethically impoverished, today's left wing has almost completely lost the plot. o for some quality leadership

[SwalePie]

Can't believe the Ukraines haven't used drones on the massive convoy as they already have elsewhere

To be fair, we don't actually know for sure that they haven't.

[irishpete]

To be fair, we don't actually know for sure that they haven't.

We would have known by now, nowt like bragging

[i961pie]

You hope that the hierarchy in the Politburo or military will say enough is enough and remove him. Khrushchev didn't last long after the nuclear stand off in the early sixties with America.

[SwalePie]

We would have known by now, nowt like bragging

They seem very impressed with their Turkish 'Bayraktar' drones at least...

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1498692841526251526?s=20&t=D-1NU9cDwcT-qE_W8rVbXw