Match Thread vs. Chesterfield 01.03.22 [NL]

[Mark_Ross]

True, everything's relative.

As disappointed as anybody - probably - but trying to keep a bit of perspective.

I think we may have to be prepared to be non-league for a very long time.

[legs77]

Bielsa got the sack at Leeds because he was to stubborn to change tactics when it wasn't working.

True problem is our coach is being told to play this way by the owners that is the blueprint.

We seem to play too many luxury players when you need a mix.

[Robertomac]

After all the hype he's turned out to be a really poor loan. Has he done anything positive during his time with us? Southend fans made him sound like Messi.

Agreed. Been very poor from what I've seen. Certainly no better than Vincent... who sounded very poor tonight.

I think a big problem is our 'big 3' are not coming up with the goods - Wootton and Rodrigues in particular have been way off form. When did Wootton last score away from ML?

[jackal2]

Bielsa got the sack at Leeds because he was to stubborn to change tactics when it wasn't working.

True.

I don't think we're anywhere near that stage and I still wish IB well, but the phrase that worries me a little in his interview is that 'we weren't brave enough', which in effect is IB saying there's nothing wrong with the playing style, the players just didn't do it well enough.

No. There is problem. The playing style breaks down too often, especially under pressure away from home, because players at this level can't deliver it as consistently as players in the higher leagues. On our day we look fantastic, often at home, but in a competition where there are only two promotion places on offer you've got to be able to change your style and have a Plan B when things get ugly.

The answer is not to keep repeating that we didn't do 'Plan A' well enough. IB needs to recognise and learn this, otherwise he will eventually end up in a Curle-like scenario, and that would be to no-one's benefit.

[jacobncfc]

Burchnall has done a lot of good things, but I would probably sack him in the morning. He’s had loads of opportunities to learn and he isn’t going to.

Might elaborate at some point but yeah, can’t crack on like this.

[the_anticlough]

No. There is problem. The playing style breaks down too often, especially under pressure away from home, because players at this level can't deliver it as consistently as players in the higher leagues. On our day we look fantastic, often at home, but in a competition where there are only two promotion places on offer you've got to be able to change your style and have a Plan B when things get ugly.

The answer is not to keep repeating that we didn't do 'Plan A' well enough. IB needs to recognise and learn this, otherwise he will eventually end up in a Curle-like scenario, and that would be to no-one's benefit.

Don't you think we're stuck with the approach we've got for this season? The squad options are pretty limited. What do you have in mind for plan B?
For example, we revert to Rawlo and O'Brien or DKE...they add something but take other things away, without being promotion level players at what they do anyway.
It's a bit bleak, we can only strengthen the squad after the season. For this one, IB's probably better served by sticking to his instincts and principles and seeing where it takes us.
I suspect that's why he sounded so shaky tonight, he knows he's got no other better options for now

[jacobncfc]

Don't you think we're stuck with the approach we've got for this season? The squad options are pretty limited. What do you have in mind for plan B?
For example, we revert to Rawlo and O'Brien or DKE...they add something but take other things away, without being promotion level players at what they do anyway.
It's a bit bleak, we can only strengthen the squad after the season. For this one, IB's probably better served by sticking to his instincts and principles and seeing where it takes us.
I suspect that's why he sounded so shaky tonight, he knows he's got no other better options for now

Rawlinson and DKE were ever-presents for the team with the best defensive record in the division over a period of 18 months.

[Elite_Pie]

Burchnall has done a lot of good things, but I would probably sack him in the morning. He’s had loads of opportunities to learn and he isn’t going to.

Might elaborate at some point but yeah, can’t crack on like this.

I respect your opinion more than most, so unusually strong words from you jacob. Not too different to what I said in post #170.

I said it after the Halifax game, there are a lot of good things around the club, but something is definitely missing.

[Glad2BeAPie]

Do people still think We'll get out of this league with this style of nice football

[MancMagpie]

A longish journey back up to Manc disappointed.

Few observations about that game.

Firstly, IB's subs were poor. He normally uses subs well and times them correctly.

Taking 2 big players off (Wooton and Sam) in the last 5 minutes was absolutely ridiculous. I said to my Dad at the time...we'll lose this now. Then what happens next? We concede off a set piece. Wooton and Sam had been helping defend set pieces quite well throughout the game. No need to bring them off.

Secondly, Roberts should have been subbed not Sam. In fact, Nemane should have started over Robert's as he was obviously only running on about 80%.

Finally, we have to have a plan B. Anyone can see that when we get pressed high we start to panic and can't really string a good set of passes together and it knocks us off our rhythm.

Is there any chance we can keep IB as our home manager and Ardley for away games!!!? (Lol)

Chesterfield dragged us in to their ugly way of playing tonight...and we didn't have the tools to deal with it.

Not enough grit by a massive stretch.

We're not getting out of this league just continuously trying to play the same way, because 6 or 7 teams can work out how to combat it.