OT/ Every cloud has a silver lining.

[Dubbag]

So what's the silver lining in Ukraine?
The war is now forcing humanity to collectively rethink what we invest in and how.
Even more pressing an issue then the hostilities in Ukraine is the global condition of the planet and her resources. Yet as shown by the inactivity of governments to make hard decision on global environment issues at the recent Edinburgh meeting, this war could speed it up.

Oil and gas prices will continue to rise and most likely will spike much higher shortly when reverse sanctions from Russia are applied. This hasn't happened yet but the taps will be turned right down.
Thankfully so far it has been a mild winter so far across the northern hemisphere.

The global supply lines haven't recovered from the pandemic yet but the war adds to a confused transport industry. Inflation is going to remain stubbornly high as a new norm from this

Things are never going to be the same. The Western world is entering an age of morale decisions upon which their citizens will judge them on who they do business with. No turning of blind eyes anymore.
Change is happening now and will continue apace.
While ethical investing has been around a while....it will come under more rigorous scrutiny now......

[Yarmbaggie]

Things are never going to be the same. The Western world is entering an age of morale decisions upon which their citizens will judge them on who they do business with. No turning of blind eyes anymore.
Change is happening now and will continue apace.
While ethical investing has been around a while....it will come under more rigorous scrutiny now......

Surely that is a great silver lining if it happens, despite increased costs.

If Governments are strong enough (the real problem, they aren’t) then collectively or individually things can move in the right direction.

As an example NZ is a country I know well from living there for several years as well as having revisited at least once every 5 years since the mid 1970s.

Hugely different country to what it was but far more concerned about equality than most if not all European countries. As an example in 2008, yes 2008, they changed the law to make it almost impossible for overseas residents to buy up NZ houses to rent out. This was in response to increasingly high property valuations driven mainly by Chinese and American investors.

Result house prices have not risen like those in the UK and houses owned by the people who live in them, or NZ residents renting them out. Compare that to London house prices driven by Chinese and Russian investment money to the point ordinary people can no longer afford to get on the property ladder.

Personally I think we do need to reset our thinking around what we are prepared to accept and that is the silver lining for me.

[Omegstrat6]

Agree that the situation in Ukraine has certainly focused many minds and led to greater agreement and unity amongst the Western nations and their partners. There is also the side effect of perhaps forcing us to look harder still at alternatives to fossil fuels. Nice too to see countries begin to realise that they may have got into bed with some rather unsavoury regimes in order to turn a dollar and in the process both enabled them and become over dependent on them.Whilst they have imposed sanctions on Russia and it's oligarchs however, and are probably increasingly concerned about China, I wonder if they will begin to similarly untangle themselves from that bastion of human rights, Saudi Arabia?

[Dubbag]

No question .. governments are going to have to think long and hard about morale issues going forward.
Leaders who are deemed immoral are on very thin ice in this phase we are entering......and many so called world leaders will be getting nervous over this and what is unfolding around the world
Corrupt regimes are all on notice with this concentrated action by Putin.

[bordering]

No question .. governments are going to have to think long and hard about morale issues going forward.
Leaders who are deemed immoral are on very thin ice in this phase we are entering......and many so called world leaders will be getting nervous over this and what is unfolding around the world
Corrupt regimes are all on notice with this concentrated action by Putin.

Reading this thread it seems many of us are walking and wanting world government that means world currency and a loss of freedom- is communist china's system what we want?


Be sceptical- the Covid pandemic was a pandemic of panic- orchestrated by governments over the world, then a war- making people more afraid and allowing governments more controls & now climate change- note it's not global WARMING any more coz it ain't warming.
There's lots of proof about this - from Davos, the Great Reset, report from Iron Mountain, & if you can read the creature from Jeckyll island by Griffin. It is about the USA federal reserve & its determined objective to collectivism.

Please do your own research- check out who's saying it . who's paying for it to be said. There's a body of contradictory research about climate change just like there was about Covid but largely stifled and free speech prevented.


But..........................


If you want climate control then you have to have world government

[Dubbag]

Please do your own research- check out who's saying it . who's paying for it to be said. There's a body of contradictory research about climate change just like there was about Covid but largely stifled and free speech prevented......

There is evidence and people have to research it out for themselves. I agree.
But conspiracy theories are usually formed when the individual has information but not in the right order. So to make their view fit...they conspire with the part evidence they hold. The globe has always warmed and cooled. Humans are speeding the process and we are not evolved for these sudden changes....
This conflict may become a defining moment when humans have to chose between morale advancement and chasing the profits at all costs....

[Dubbag]