Booooooooo!

[Mason89]

A proper nationalist is someone who wants their country run by only the people in it. Obviously not part of the UK and obviously not part of the European Union. Freedom for Scotland….let’s look after our own affairs.

An independent Scotland outwith the European Union is a complete non starter for many sane reasons. Scottish nationalism is for the most part, outward looking. I doubt even the loony toons in Alba would stand on that pledge.

[Mason89]

Somebody who actively works towards independence as opposed to being happy with the status quo ensuring that her and her other half pocket £250,000 per annum plus between them in a state of permanent power in a toytown parliament?

Happy to be told otherwise of course.

You’re saying the leader of the Scottish National Party, who’s spent her entire life campaigning for Scottish independence, isn’t a nationalist? Righto

[RED_JOHN]

An independent Scotland outwith the European Union is a complete non starter for many sane reasons. Scottish nationalism is for the most part, outward looking. I doubt even the loony toons in Alba would stand on that pledge.

I disagree lad…we can look after our own country whilst welcoming in people from outside Scotland. We don’t need to contribute our tax money to help fund other nations…they can do that themselves. Surely you don’t think Scotland can’t look after its own affairs? Sturgeon is going to cost Scotland independence because it is all about her…she isn’t well liked now. We need someone far more interesting to lead the push.

[RED_JOHN]

You’re saying the leader of the Scottish National Party, who’s spent her entire life campaigning for Scottish independence, isn’t a nationalist? Righto

She isn’t a real nationalist…she only wants independence from the UK.

[Red Zone]

You’re saying the leader of the Scottish National Party, who’s spent her entire life campaigning for Scottish independence, isn’t a nationalist? Righto

The question, was it not, was what is a "proper" nationalist. I have little doubt that she would ideally want independence, I have many significant doubts that she is doing all she humanly can to accelerate the process and is more than happy to pocket the union pound (at least a million of them since she became leader and that's before we get to her other (worse) half and how much he pockets each year safe in the knowledge that her current tactics will maintain an SNP majority in Holyrood in perpetuity (whilst of course maintaining the £250,000 per annum Sturgeon/Murrell cash bonanza year after year).

If she was really serious about it she would not be in a position 8 years after the last referendum that she still doesn't have a plan or answers to some of the fundamental questions that she needs to properly answer to persuade enough of the floating voters to vote yes next time e.g. currency etc.

Anyone who believes they are gearing up for a referendum next year is deluded

[mondo_notion]

safe in the knowledge that her current tactics will maintain an SNP majority in Holyrood in perpetuity

You make that sound like it's a bad thing.

[Mason89]

The next referendum will be held when it looks likely it’ll be won. Holding it during a pandemic or when the polls are looking 50/50 would be ridiculously stupid. There’s only one more shot at it.

I’d imagine the First Minister could make similar money in other roles. If somebody else fancies a go at her job for the cash, then they’re welcome to encourage people to vote for them

[Red Zone]

You make that sound like it's a bad thing.

It's a bad thing in any democracy to have a Government of any shade to not have to try particularly hard safe in the knowledge that no matter what they do (good or bad) they will end up still being in power with pretty much the same number of seats, which is where we are currently in Scotland - there is a Government and give or take 60 MSP's who know they have a very highly paid job for life as long as there is no referendum

[Red Zone]

The next referendum will be held when it looks likely it’ll be won. Holding it during a pandemic or when the polls are looking 50/50 would be ridiculously stupid. There’s only one more shot at it.

Who says there is only one more shot at it? If there is a referendum and it is lost say 52/48 are you really saying the SNP won't be pushing for another referendum in the period say 5-10 years after that?

[57vintage]

a quick outlet for outpourins withoot any necessary argument or discussion

I wonder how that plan, perhaps ground rule, is holding up?