Trade or University

[soulman101]

If I had my time again , I would still choose getting a trade.
Great example of an intelligent young man who chose getting a trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViQh9iT8iXg

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Many years ago I had a young lad come and work for me as an electrician. He was a real grafter and a nice lad. He told me he had been a real waster at school and came close to a life of crime until he started work. He left me after a couple of years and started up on his own. He was always my first choice if I had any work to sub out. Last time I saw him aged about 25 he had an apprentice working for him. An accountant who wanted a change of career in his 50's. It did look strange. Good on ya Liam

[viaductbaggies]

Trade

[mickd1961]

Horses for courses.

Since Blair’s “education, education, education” mantra we’ve had far too many people going to university in the U.K.

Kids going for a four year p I s s up and a “gap year”........absolute f u c k I n gnonsense in my eyes, an excuse to do f u c k all until you’re in your mid 20’s.

Too many worthless degrees in origami and yogurt knitting, too many doing degrees with no idea what they’re actually aiming to achieve as a career.

I don’t like the modern trend of people being able to leapfrog their way to the top reaches of a business or organisation based on bits of paper, it’s been a disaster for the policing in the U.K. for example.

It can lead to to people having a superior and jumped up view of themselves, the level of pomposity I’ve come across in some graduates in my industry has been breathtaking.

In general the graduates have been the biggest fools and wastes of space I’ve come across whereas the best people are the ones who’ve worked their way up from the bottom and have a real feel for their industry and their company.

Recently I’ve taken on my first ever graduate with a master degree, it hasn’t gone well so far.

He’s struggled to comprehend and adapt to an eight hour working day, has to be constantly chased up on tasks and keeps getting caught twiddling his thumbs.

His attitude has really wound the rest of my staff up, he’s regarded as aloof and superior when he’s actually on our bottom rung.

He had a really rude awakening when pulled into a meeting and told he had a week to sort himself out.

If you’re going to be a lawyer, doctor, dentist, vet, rocket scientist etc then yes of course, university is very important but for most it is not.

If I was leaving school again I’d be in a difficult position, I had no interest in any of those very important technical professions and I also had no interest in working with my hands and so learning a trade wasn’t for me,

There is no shame in starting at shop floor level in any job in the way that I did, it taught me about real life and real people and how to live on my own wits for 44 years almost now.

In my opinion there are three paths, university, learning a trade and there’s also getting straight into work.

Not enough people take the third choice these days, too many are swayed by parents into further education because mummy and daddy are desperate to let all their friends know that Tarquin is at “Uni”.....that’s a word that really gets on my t I t s as well.......everyone is at “Uni” these days.

Or they go because their best friend is going, too many parents pander to this b o l l o c k s.

I wish kids and parents had enough sense and awareness to work out when it’s right for their child to choose university.

None of my three wanted to go and if they had I’d have told them that unless they had a career path in mind I wouldn’t support them, thankfully they all preferred to work and start earning.

A lot of these grads will end up failing once they get found out at their job or come to the realisation that they can’t cope with the real life stress of it.

Kids need to be guided into what parents know in their heart is the best avenue for THAT child.

A builder who I use for work has two kids who went to university who now have amazing jobs in technology and his other son hadn’t the same brain power or intellect but he’s a bloody good builder who’s about to take over the family firm.

I admire his dad for not pushing him down the same route as his older brothers.

These are parents who did right by their kids.

Whatever is best for the individual child and not what’s fashionable is always the best answer.

[baggieal]

If a child has slaved at school to get good A levels they will most likely want to go to university to pursue a career. You need a degree for top jobs in medicine - law - politics -veterinary- teaching etc. A good degree for a reason!!

My kids both went to university and now have top jobs which they could never have hoped for in a trade. With excellent A level results I would not have been pleased if they had decided on a trade. They worked their balls off to achieve these results. Our 14 year old will probably go one better as she’s mega bright.

Those that go into trades - good luck to them and know some apprenticeships are excellent like at Nestle.

Those who slate graduates or university though are generally those who are bitter because they didn’t have this opportunity! I didn’t have this opportunity myself but wish I had and good luck to those who do!

I can only speak for my kids who have jobs they could not have dreamed of unless they had achieved top results at university.

You can always fall back on great academic results later in life!

Depends on the job too - a university graduate would achieve no more in a shop job or a packing job than someone without any qualifications. Then again you would not put anyone without qualifications into a complex job either which needs someone who can demonstrate the academic experience to tackle the task in hand.

Good luck to those who obtain fantastic qualifications and have slaved to do this I say! Nothing in life is free and most decent jobs now need good qualifications.

Good careers like the RAF now demand excellent qualifications and rightly so.

[SwedishBaggie]

University all day long, for sure!

[mickd1961]

University all day long, for sure!

Why?

[SwedishBaggie]

Why?

Spent multiple years myself there, so has the mrs, and as Al points out, if it’s quality education, you’ll benefit from it.

I’d really dread a future with non university people conducting, i e, teaching, law, medicine, constructing bridges, building aeroplanes etc, etc… This list could go on forever.

[baggieal]

Horses for courses.

Since Blair’s “education, education, education” mantra we’ve had far too many people going to university in the U.K.

Kids going for a four year p I s s up and a “gap year”........absolute f u c k I n gnonsense in my eyes, an excuse to do f u c k all until you’re in your mid 20’s.

Too many worthless degrees in origami and yogurt knitting, too many doing degrees with no idea what they’re actually aiming to achieve as a career.

I don’t like the modern trend of people being able to leapfrog their way to the top reaches of a business or organisation based on bits of paper, it’s been a disaster for the policing in the U.K. for example.

It can lead to to people having a superior and jumped up view of themselves, the level of pomposity I’ve come across in some graduates in my industry has been breathtaking.

In general the graduates have been the biggest fools and wastes of space I’ve come across whereas the best people are the ones who’ve worked their way up from the bottom and have a real feel for their industry and their company.

Recently I’ve taken on my first ever graduate with a master degree, it hasn’t gone well so far.

He’s struggled to comprehend and adapt to an eight hour working day, has to be constantly chased up on tasks and keeps getting caught twiddling his thumbs.

His attitude has really wound the rest of my staff up, he’s regarded as aloof and superior when he’s actually on our bottom rung.

He had a really rude awakening when pulled into a meeting and told he had a week to sort himself out.

If you’re going to be a lawyer, doctor, dentist, vet, rocket scientist etc then yes of course, university is very important but for most it is not.

If I was leaving school again I’d be in a difficult position, I had no interest in any of those very important technical professions and I also had no interest in working with my hands and so learning a trade wasn’t for me,

There is no shame in starting at shop floor level in any job in the way that I did, it taught me about real life and real people and how to live on my own wits for 44 years almost now.

In my opinion there are three paths, university, learning a trade and there’s also getting straight into work.

Not enough people take the third choice these days, too many are swayed by parents into further education because mummy and daddy are desperate to let all their friends know that Tarquin is at “Uni”.....that’s a word that really gets on my t I t s as well.......everyone is at “Uni” these days.

Or they go because their best friend is going, too many parents pander to this b o l l o c k s.

I wish kids and parents had enough sense and awareness to work out when it’s right for their child to choose university.

None of my three wanted to go and if they had I’d have told them that unless they had a career path in mind I wouldn’t support them, thankfully they all preferred to work and start earning.

A lot of these grads will end up failing once they get found out at their job or come to the realisation that they can’t cope with the real life stress of it.

Kids need to be guided into what parents know in their heart is the best avenue for THAT child.

A builder who I use for work has two kids who went to university who now have amazing jobs in technology and his other son hadn’t the same brain power or intellect but he’s a bloody good builder who’s about to take over the family firm.

I admire his dad for not pushing him down the same route as his older brothers.

These are parents who did right by their kids.

Whatever is best for the individual child and not what’s fashionable is always the best answer.

Four year piss up Mick is not the reality and quite frankly an insult to many who work their balls off.

My two especially the daughter absolutely slaved away at university and generally only went out on the weekends but still studied. To get into top universities you generally need three A’s anyway and kids did not achieve this at school for sitting on their a rses!!

My daughter now earns a huge salary and been promoted time and time again but only deserved from her dedication at school and uni.

Another family member now pursuing a career in the RAF and training in Texas. You need fantastic qualifications to even to be considered to apply for the programme.

[SwedishBaggie]

Four year piss up Mick is not the reality and quite frankly an insult to many who work their balls off.

My two especially the daughter absolutely slaved away at university and generally only went out on the weekends but still studied. To get into top universities you generally need three A’s anyway and kids did not achieve this at school for sitting on their a rses!!

My daughter now earns a huge salary and been promoted time and time again but only deserved from her dedication at school and uni.

Another family member now pursuing a career in the RAF and training in Texas. You need fantastic qualifications to even to be considered to apply for the programme.

Hear, hear!