Ipswich

[Timmy58]

We need 'Pro' football players not 'kids' This is why we have one of the worst records ever. But some are right in we will go once again with babies in the team. Both GK's need to go asap. If you want to watch kids play, go to RH to watch them for nothing!

I will respectfully remind you that prior to this very poor season, our kids got us up the league table in League 2 and then promoted to league 1 followed by a more than respectable season in league 1 where we engineered a top half finish. I don't disagree we need some experience adding to the squad and it was ever thus. Hence the signings of Paul Green, Nicky Hunt and Eddie Nolan. Not to mention the evergreen Chris Porter. But the future of the club is the young players, many of whom have shown much promise even in this season

[jimmyboldon]

I will respectfully remind you that prior to this very poor season, our kids got us up the league table in League 2 and then promoted to league 1 followed by a more than respectable season in league 1 where we engineered a top half finish. I don't disagree we need some experience adding to the squad and it was ever thus. Hence the signings of Paul Green, Nicky Hunt and Eddie Nolan. Not to mention the evergreen Chris Porter. But the future of the club is the young players, many of whom have shown much promise even in this season

Again….I agree

[MikeSB]

I will respectfully remind you that prior to this very poor season, our kids got us up the league table in League 2 and then promoted to league 1 followed by a more than respectable season in league 1 where we engineered a top half finish. I don't disagree we need some experience adding to the squad and it was ever thus. Hence the signings of Paul Green, Nicky Hunt and Eddie Nolan. Not to mention the evergreen Chris Porter. But the future of the club is the young players, many of whom have shown much promise even in this season

Thing is, the club has spent possibly 8million pounds over 10 years just to see if two or three are good enough for league football per season when we almost know they cannot be as they are physically inacapable to match most players in L1 and L2 and why they need some years in the first team before they are ready. Second thing is we are not paying decent wages as a result which means even poorer quality players come in. There are thousands of decent players out there that you can see here and now and not have to spend millions in the hope. Of course it could be the PL and FA are subsidizing us with the academy so the cost is neutral which was what Dario said at one time.

Academies are old models now and we should know that by now.

The other problem is we keep appointing kids managers coaches from the academy who's whole experience is with very young players. They can't possibly coach experienced players.

[Timmy58]

Thing is, the club has spent possibly 8million pounds over 10 years just to see if two or three are good enough for league football per season when we almost know they cannot be as they are physically inacapable to match most players in L1 and L2 and why they need some years in the first team before they are ready. Second thing is we are not paying decent wages as a result which means even poorer quality players come in. There are thousands of decent players out there that you can see here and now and not have to spend millions in the hope. Of course it could be the PL and FA are subsidizing us with the academy so the cost is neutral which was what Dario said at one time.

Academies are old models now and we should know that by now.

The other problem is we keep appointing kids managers coaches from the academy who's whole experience is with very young players. They can't possibly coach experienced players.

Again, with respect, I dismiss that as rubbish. For a start, in your general postings, coaching is absolutely unnecessary so on that basis it shouldn't matter if their only experience is with kids!

The fact is, the coaching strategy at al levels at the club are the same so graduation to the first team should be seamless. Of course, in reality this is not quite the case as when they come up against experienced players there is a period of adjustment as these lads make the step up. Which is another reason why youngsters are integrated gradually.
To address your point about the wages we play, there is some merit in what you say although I would counter that by citing Porter, Green, Hunt and Nolan who would count as experienced professionals who seemed happy to come here.

[Wartman]

Again, with respect, I dismiss that as rubbish. For a start, in your general postings, coaching is absolutely unnecessary so on that basis it shouldn't matter if their only experience is with kids!

The fact is, the coaching strategy at al levels at the club are the same so graduation to the first team should be seamless. Of course, in reality this is not quite the case as when they come up against experienced players there is a period of adjustment as these lads make the step up. Which is another reason why youngsters are integrated gradually.
To address your point about the wages we play, there is some merit in what you say although I would counter that by citing Porter, Green, Hunt and Nolan who would count as experienced professionals who seemed happy to come here.

I agree with you Timmy (you may sit down with shock) 😂 the club must retain an academy that provides players for the first team wether it needs to be cat 2 is a different question ? Coaching of footballers is long established although I do agree with Mike that a sprinkling of natural talent goes a long way also. I also agree with Timmy that a lot of the experienced players that have been brought to the club have been improved I think Porter is certainly a more rounded striker now than he when he came, Paul Green certainly improved at the club I suppose the counter to that might be Murphy who seems to have got worse but that all might have something to do with the individual themselves. I certainly don’t think we need to be ripping up the clubs strategy going forward after 1 truly poor season, but lessons do need to be learned and we move on.

[MikeSB]

I agree with you Timmy (you may sit down with shock) �� the club must retain an academy that provides players for the first team wether it needs to be cat 2 is a different question ? Coaching of footballers is long established although I do agree with Mike that a sprinkling of natural talent goes a long way also. I also agree with Timmy that a lot of the experienced players that have been brought to the club have been improved I think Porter is certainly a more rounded striker now than he when he came, Paul Green certainly improved at the club I suppose the counter to that might be Murphy who seems to have got worse but that all might have something to do with the individual themselves. I certainly don’t think we need to be ripping up the clubs strategy going forward after 1 truly poor season, but lessons do need to be learned and we move on.

I very much doubt whether Porter was made a better player here as he was scoring goals before by the same technique and he scored loads of goals from pens. Of course we need to change the academy structure where non playing staff are in vast numbers compared with the players. There. is no way experienced players can be 'coached' to play better. Jimmy Greaves shows how to score goals and you don't need ten years academy training to see all that in a couple of hours on the internet. It doesn't bother me what they do tbh.

[Timmy58]

I agree with you Timmy (you may sit down with shock) �� the club must retain an academy that provides players for the first team wether it needs to be cat 2 is a different question ? Coaching of footballers is long established although I do agree with Mike that a sprinkling of natural talent goes a long way also. I also agree with Timmy that a lot of the experienced players that have been brought to the club have been improved I think Porter is certainly a more rounded striker now than he when he came, Paul Green certainly improved at the club I suppose the counter to that might be Murphy who seems to have got worse but that all might have something to do with the individual themselves. I certainly don’t think we need to be ripping up the clubs strategy going forward after 1 truly poor season, but lessons do need to be learned and we move on.

Fortunately I was sat down although I did feel a bit faint for a few minutes.
Porter may well have become a more rounded player during his time at Crewe, but regarding Paul Green, I think he improved us rather than the other way round. Murphy is a different kettle of fish. Doubtless a good player, not as quick as he was of course but I think it a little unfair to say he has got worse since coming back. I think he has suffered through being in a poor team and he has been expected to play in a rather different way than when he was here before, possibly due to his own abilities or more likely due to those around him.
I believe the club to be in good shape off the field and as ever is the case, when things are right behind the scenes things improve on the pitch. We are a League 1/League 2 club and it is unlikely to ever be any different but it is important that we don't go the same way as Bury, Derby, Oldham and Macclesfield

[MikeSB]

Fortunately I was sat down although I did feel a bit faint for a few minutes.
Porter may well have become a more rounded player during his time at Crewe, but regarding Paul Green, I think he improved us rather than the other way round. Murphy is a different kettle of fish. Doubtless a good player, not as quick as he was of course but I think it a little unfair to say he has got worse since coming back. I think he has suffered through being in a poor team and he has been expected to play in a rather different way than when he was here before, possibly due to his own abilities or more likely due to those around him.
I believe the club to be in good shape off the field and as ever is the case, when things are right behind the scenes things improve on the pitch. We are a League 1/League 2 club and it is unlikely to ever be any different but it is important that we don't go the same way as Bury, Derby, Oldham and Macclesfield

Any idea why some clubs go that way? Money, money, money... And we are spending far more than we are getting in transfer fees as the last big one was a few years ago and the other thing that some fans are not getting, including the BOD is times have changed where we now see academy graduates as looking elsewhere and not signing contract extensions as they used to..How on earth did Derby ever afford to pay vast sums of money to their managers? Midfielders have to be very agile players and will always suffer if they are on the oldish side...I expect him to get another contract..