League 1 it is then

[ramAnag]

1. I for one agree

2. Its how the world is, the whole world just about, and has been for a long long time

3. We have been trying to explain how things work, please explain how you'd fund a significant (lets say 50%) increase in a typical private sector (lets say lorry drivers) and public sector (lets say midwives) employees pay. I'm genuinely interested, your only response to the repeated explanations from GEEP and myself has been 'its not fair' so please - fund fairness

Well at least you agree, that’s a start.
You’re right, I do talk about the ‘unfairness’ of aspects of society while you, and GP, repeatedly argue, ‘that’s the way the world is...that’s how things are’ as if that is some sort of answer.
I guess my answer is we have to become less selfish and accept that taxes have to rise.
If we want better and safer roads, a better health service, better care for the elderly and those with mental health issues, better schools and public transport etc we have to fund them properly.
Personally I’d be ‘happy’ to pay higher taxes - if I knew they were to be targeted properly - and as we’ve seen recently, eg with investment in vaccines, money spent on furlough or directed to arming Ukraine, it is amazing what money can be found when it has to be.
Whether I trust the current government to raise such taxes fairly and spend it wisely is a wholly different question. I don’t...and the number of recent ‘kickbacks’ that have already been suggested as benefitting government officials and their families is a large part of the reason why...but ultimately higher taxes raised fairly in terms of those who can afford to pay the most and directed properly is the obvious answer.

[Andy_Faber]

you, and GP, repeatedly argue, ‘that’s the way the world is...that’s how things are’ as if that is some sort of answer.

it is amazing what money can be found when it has to be.
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1. It’s not an argument, it’s a fact, that IS the way the world is, so actually it’s not ‘some sort of answer’, unless there is a sea change in the way the world works it is THE answer. I’m neither supporting it or not, just pointing out a fact, I suggest GP is too.

2. The money wasn’t ‘found’, that’s a partisan spin on things, it was borrowed for non-recurring events at commercial rates and will be paid back by our descendants. Using the same device for ‘ongoing business’ (such as permanent pay rises) is exactly the type of behaviour that’s got The Rams in the ****

[ramAnag]

1. It’s not an argument, it’s a fact, that IS the way the world is, so actually it’s not ‘some sort of answer’, unless there is a sea change in the way the world works it is THE answer. I’m neither supporting it or not, just pointing out a fact, I suggest GP is too.

2. The money wasn’t ‘found’, that’s a partisan spin on things, it was borrowed for non-recurring events at commercial rates and will be paid back by our descendants. Using the same device for ‘ongoing business’ (such as permanent pay rises) is exactly the type of behaviour that’s got The Rams in the ****

Strange that you should be so selective in your response, but...

1) Things can and do change, AF...so it’s not really ‘THE Answer’.

2) There’s nothing ‘partisan’ about it at all. It wasn’t a critical comment and I fully accept that the money was borrowed, however I think equating matters to the mess that DCFC find themselves in is tenuous to say the least. The Rams are in the hole they’re in because, imo, of financial malpractice and something very close to misappropriation by people who should have known better.