Hearts (H)

[arab1970]

He doesn't need a babysitter, that's just a ridiculous analogy. He does things others don't (or won't). For instance would you ever have said Dave Bowman needed a babysitter (someone to provide the creativity he didn't)?

Any midfield needs a balance about it and 100% we are better with Harkes in the team.

are you saying Harkes is a creative player ?

[TerryTheTerror]

are you saying Harkes is a creative player ?

I can't see me saying that anywhere in that post.

[arab777]

I don't particularly rate Harkes or Butcher but anyone who says we aren't missing them right now is at it. Were none of you at our last two games? Our midfield made Charlie Adam look like Messi ffs! And Sunday, well surely I don't even need to go there? We were completely dominated in midfield & ripped apart almost at will. Hearts' third goal being a prime example.

When Butcher has performed this season it has mainly been in defence not midfield. Our best run of the season September/ October (the reason we are in the top 6) he hardly featured in the team. Harkes played in all of them. So I agree on Harkes but not on Butcher.

[arab777]

As for the Hearts game we started very well then went in to our shell. This is a pattern. Take our last 8 league games


Dundee Utd 2 - 3 Hearts (scored first lost)

Dundee Utd 2 - 2 Dundee (scored first failed to win)

Hibernian 1 - 1 Dundee Utd (scored first failed to win)

St Mirren 1 - 2 Dundee Utd (didn’t score first WON)

Dundee Utd 2 - 2 Hearts (scored first failed to win)

Livingston 2 - 1 Dundee Utd (scored first lost)

Aberdeen 1 - 1 Dundee Utd (scored first failed to win)

Dundee Utd 1 - 1 Rangers (scored first failed to win)


Interestingly the one game we won was the game we conceded first, a winner that was too late to blow.

On Sunday we just didn't look like we knew how to play the game from a wining position. The stats show this could be a confidence thing. This is something Tam needs to look at and sort out.

We are also now a BTTS banker.

[TerryTheTerror]

Interesting. Unfortunately it's not just about us and what we do.

[Arabdownsouth]

Interesting. Unfortunately it's not just about us and what we do.

I think it probably is though Terry. We beat Well and County we will finish 4th I'm sure. Yes that would depend on other results but I have no doubt that winning those 2 games will seal 4th

[TerryTheTerror]

I think it probably is though Terry. We beat Well and County we will finish 4th I'm sure. Yes that would depend on other results but I have no doubt that winning those 2 games will seal 4th

Actually I agree with you about that, it's all on those two games.

What I was meaning was folk talking about previous games where we were ahead then changed the way we were playing and loose/draw. Just saying that type of thing is not all down to us and some credit needs to be given to the opposition in these situations.

[Shedboy1971]

100% Harkes is a creative wonderful player.

aye yeah did

[Shedboy1971]

Actually I agree with you about that, Harkes is an incredibly gifted creative player.

What I was meaning was folk talking about Harkes not being gifted and creative. He changed the way we were playing and loose/draw. Just saying that type of thing is not all down to us and some credit needs to be given to Harkes in these situations.

obsessed you are Terry

[Arabdownsouth]

Actually I agree with you about that, it's all on those two games.

What I was meaning was folk talking about previous games where we were ahead then changed the way we were playing and loose/draw. Just saying that type of thing is not all down to us and some credit needs to be given to the opposition in these situations.

Yeah can't disagree with that. Still an incredibly frustrating statistic though and I'd have to say that tactics need changing and the manager has to react quicker and use his bench better, weak though it is. The young lad Moore was tremendous at ibrox, hasn't been on the park since. Cudjoe looked like he at least had something about him and hasn't been on the park since. MaCleod can't even get on the bench recently but has been banging goals in for the under 18s, I'd like to see these players getting their chance instead of the same tired subs, what's the point of all these youngsters on the bench if Tam has no intention of playing them?