Pitch invasions

[kill_the_drum]

I really hope we don’t invade if we beat Grimsby but I fear we will.
We’ll have a few fans that now think it’s acceptable, with what’s happened this week, and then the masses follow.
As stated, these teams have won nothing but a day out at Wembley.
I saw the port vale game. Half the Swindon players stood together in the centre circle and were mobbed by a load of PV fans.
Without fences and a ridiculous amount of police, the only way I can see to stop it is to allow fans on the pitch once opposition and officials have left. Anyone that charges the pitch before that is arrested/banned.
This needs to be strongly communicated by the FA, the club, and the playing staff.
You’ll still get the idiots charging but possibly not the masses that then think it’s ok.
I say all this knowing I was one of the first on the pitch when we got promoted with Big Sam. As I was running on one of our players leathered the ball in jubilation and I took it right in the gut and dropped like a sack of spuds.

[i961pie]

Play behind closed doors for the next 3 games or dock points. Can you imagine Forest fans not being able to see their team in the prem. at the start of the season? Could be playing Man Utd. or Liverpool etc.
Something drastic needs doing before someone gets a serious injury. Fines hit the club only and not the fans who are causing the problem.

[upthemaggies]

Play behind closed doors for the next 3 games or dock points. Can you imagine Forest fans not being able to see their team in the prem. at the start of the season? Could be playing Man Utd. or Liverpool etc.
Something drastic needs doing before someone gets a serious injury. Fines hit the club only and not the fans who are causing the problem.

That always sounds like an idea with potential until it effects your own club. Granted some might be willing to take the punishment to give it further traction but many won't and there's a good counter argument to be made against it being affective with tangible evidence to back it up.

Half listening to the radio whilst doing something else, I've heard the phrase "riot police" being suggested. Is there anybody old enough still allowed on the MSM to suggest bringing back national service I wonder. Always trotted without fail back in the 1980s.

I'm on the verge here of making a very irresponsible post because part of me wouldn't actually mind seeing the game return to the dark ages and I could ramble on about why I feel that way, but I'll try not to be goaded into it. I am in that sort of mood though, today.

In a nutshell, football cannot exist in isolation to what's going on outside. Yes times change and have changed, but when the generational sands of time are exhausted the whole apparatus is flipped on its' head and away we go again in reverse. There's no utopian final destination to be arrived at or pursued unless you're willing to accept the inevitable final scene with Charlton Heston falling to his knees at the ruin of the statue of liberty, metaphorically speaking. You're just as likely going to kill this game or destroy the planet trying to do "good".

[Elite_Pie]

Play behind closed doors for the next 3 games or dock points. Fines hit the club only and not the fans who are causing the problem.

And playing behind closed doors hits the fans who are not causing the problem.

Which is the vast majority of us.

[upthemaggies]

And playing behind closed doors hits the fans who are not causing the problem.

Which is the vast majority of us.

They have tried those types of punishments and it's basically a game of whack a mole. One club gets forced to play at neutral venues (Leeds), then another gets banned from Europe (Spurs) then the Welsh national team are banned from the next Euros, reduced to not being allowed to play in Cardiff and so on.
Manchester United were once forced to play a home game at Anfield! Around 8 years later, after god knows how many serious incidents, they have to play a home European tie in Plymouth having initially been thrown out. All of that climaxes with the blanket European ban during which time we have the worst disaster of all.

Points deductions were supposed to dissuade clubs getting themselves into a mess to the point of admin. The list of clubs that have now been docked points for that reason is insane. We've had clubs promoted and relegated as a result of matters off the pitch and not on it, Fword included. Adding points deductions for misbehaviour wouldn't stop it, in fact it might encourage it - rival fans posing as home fans.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

And playing behind closed doors hits the fans who are not causing the problem.

Which is the vast majority of us.

This is where I'm at. The vast majority of people who play by the rules should not get punished for those that do not. It's like when a teacher keeps the whole class in detention because of one or two. It's not fair on everyone else and the problem should be dealt with at source. Neither should the clubs be punished either.

It's about time people took responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. Especially when we are talking grown adults like in the case of the Forest fan earlier this week. It's about having respect for oneself and other people which are the key components of how a law abiding society should work.

It's 2022 we live in one of the most heavily surveillance societies in the world. It should not be hard to find the perpetrators and deal with them accordingly by handing out lifetime bans and custodial sentences. Weed them out and deal with them directly and don't let them spoilt it for everyone else.

[upthemaggies]

This is where I'm at. The vast majority of people who play by the rules should not get punished for those that do not. It's like when a teacher keeps the whole class in detention because of one or two. It's not fair on everyone else and the problem should be dealt with at source. Neither should the clubs be punished either.

It's about time people took responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. Especially when we are talking grown adults like in the case of the Forest fan earlier this week. It's about having respect for oneself and other people which are the key components of how a law abiding society should work.

It's 2022 we live in one of the most heavily surveillance societies in the world. It should not be hard to find the perpetrators and deal with them accordingly by handing out lifetime bans and custodial sentences. Weed them out and deal with them directly and don't let them spoilt it for everyone else.

We could start with the media not encouraging it, ie commentators creaming themselves at how great it is to see supporters sharing the moment and that it's all about them and this is why we do it and that this is how they get to be a part of it, by being on the pitch. mobbing players and literally tearing their kit off to their underwear in some cases.

[i961pie]

Once again another player is assaulted today, the Villa keeper. It may be only a minority of people doing this but it is a large minority that break the law by invading the pitch. Whether we like it or not running onto the pitch is illegal and the authorities have to try and stop this. One day some nutter will run on carrying a knife.

[jackal2]

Once again another player is assaulted today, the Villa keeper. It may be only a minority of people doing this but it is a large minority that break the law by invading the pitch. Whether we like it or not running onto the pitch is illegal and the authorities have to try and stop this. One day some nutter will run on carrying a knife.

The law is already in place stating no fans should enter the playing area. It doesn't say 'except after promotions or cup victories or the last game of the season'. The authorities need to take a zero tolerance approach to it, ideally by hiring enough security to prevent it happening, but for those who do get through, identify as many of them as possible with CCTV and start handing out lengthy if not lifetime stadium bans, not to mention putting them through the due legal process. There's no need for anyone other than players and officials to be the pitch at any time.